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Sekhmets Daughter

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61. Exactly...

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:43 PM

Jan 2013

However, as a nation we seem not to value labor and certainly not the labor of other people. It's amazing to me.

I know a young couple, 2 professionals, whose combined income in just over $250K annually. Everyone wants them to pay higher taxes...but they pay $36,000. a year for childcare for their 1-year-old twins and of course, they don't get any tax break for that because of their income. Meanwhile, during the debt ceiling fiasco of 2011 I read this very sympathetic article on HP (written by one of the HP staff) about a mother in Wisconsin (I think it was Wisconsin) who was worried she would lose the $3,600. a month that she gets for childcare for her 6 youngest children. Now, I don't mind that she receives $600.per child per month...but I do mind that she had 8 children ranging in ages from (at that time) 21 to 1.5 years. The oldest were 21 and 18, the youngest 3 and 1.5... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why she had the last two. I have no idea how common this abuse is.... But I do know of lawyers who gamed the system for years and years getting "Black Lung" SSI for people who never worked in the mines. I had 2 uncles who received the benefit; one was never a coal miner and one worked in the mines for 3 days. So both sides are wrong in this debate because not even the most liberal of Americans want to pay the taxes necessary to make that kind of spending sustainable. Tax the other guy, he makes more. Greed and selfishness is not peculiar to either the rich or republicans....

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Obama's Deal From a poor Person's Perspective [View all] ProSense Jan 2013 OP

Thank you for some much needed perspective. We have to look at the whole deal, not 1 number. nt s-cubed Jan 2013 #1

We don't know what the whole deal will be. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #16

that decision was made over 10 years ago BainsBane Jan 2013 #22

Oh yes, sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #28

Well, I'm a poor person and this is what I see..... fasttense Jan 2013 #51

That's what I'm talking about... mountain grammy Jan 2013 #53

TY for posting this information Ian62 Jan 2013 #68

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #2

There's a reason that many progressive constituencies voted for Obama at higher levels than 2008 alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #3

+1,000 freshwest Jan 2013 #6

+1 Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #11

This should be posted as often as possible here. SaveAmerica Jan 2013 #42

Amen! nt Walk away Jan 2013 #43

And Social Security is strengthened DevonRex Jan 2013 #4

The cuts have yet to be negotiated. Until the debt ceiling has been raised, Social Security is stil JDPriestly Jan 2013 #17

+1 n/t whathehell Jan 2013 #18

So you just ignore the 2% increase in payroll SS tax? LOL! DevonRex Jan 2013 #23

Were the Bush tax cuts ending an increase to? cstanleytech Jan 2013 #58

Thanks. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #5

The EIC should not be a substitute for raising the minimum wage mountain grammy Jan 2013 #54

Agreed...it shouldn't be Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #55

Republicans have never accepted the fact that there are "working poor" mountain grammy Jan 2013 #56

Exactly... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #61

Ban Noc speaks for most of the people I know. Thanks, ProSense. freshwest Jan 2013 #7

How fucked is your economy when people rely on EITC? leftstreet Jan 2013 #8

Single 18000=no EIC Skink Jan 2013 #62

And then there are those disqualified from EITC, retirees on SS, those making above cut-off... Melinda Jan 2013 #65

It is good to read the perspective of someone who will be hurt the most by any deal stultusporcos Jan 2013 #9

nailed it. Tutonic Jan 2013 #10

Thanks ProSense. mzmolly Jan 2013 #12

I was particularly struck by two passages: Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #13

they can lump Bernie Cha Jan 2013 #37

Thanks ProSense sheshe2 Jan 2013 #14

Thankie! graywarrior Jan 2013 #15

ProSense, the spending cuts have yet to be negotiated. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #19

Only as ProSense Jan 2013 #26

We shall see what happens in the House, but this deal does not foreclose pension cuts. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #31

Thank you for this excellent post. woo me with science Jan 2013 #45

Well said, JD. mother earth Jan 2013 #50

Well said. Chathamization Jan 2013 #57

Excellent - and I see the posts of gloom and doom as you predicted are showing up... George II Jan 2013 #20

but will the anti Obama people see it that way? Chances are no loyalkydem Jan 2013 #21

Opposing this deal does not mean you are anti-Obama. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #39

Does anyone know if the child tax credit bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #24

It extends the child tax credit and the college Pirate Smile Jan 2013 #46

Yes but this is only the begining.... former_con Jan 2013 #25

The wrath of the comfortable utopians will descend upon you!! tabasco Jan 2013 #27

Thanks for Posting This Perspective Indykatie Jan 2013 #29

Thank you, we need to remember what COULD have been...and how that didn't happen radhika Jan 2013 #30

My biggest objection to this deal is the situation that bore it. This whole problem was caused by a Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #32

I couldn't agree with you more louis c Jan 2013 #33

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2013 #34

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #35

It seems Bernie Sanders was Lookin' out for the Poor, too.. Cha Jan 2013 #36

And the entire Progressive Caucus. n/t ProSense Jan 2013 #44

This happens every time. Republicans despise these tax credits where the Feds end up sending a check Pirate Smile Jan 2013 #47

"Unenjoyment"? JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #38

Poor people have a perspective? 4_TN_TITANS Jan 2013 #40

I hear ya OnionPatch Jan 2013 #41

Thanks for putting it so well nt AnnieK401 Jan 2013 #48

a poor person who is apparently not very good at math hfojvt Jan 2013 #49

K+R D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #52

I am very happy for this person, and those who will survive, but... Doctor_J Jan 2013 #59

Half of the population is "the poor" ? oldhippie Jan 2013 #60

Depending on how you look at it, pretty much Nikia Jan 2013 #64

Once again, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer... derby378 Jan 2013 #63

The fiscal cliff deal is primarily directed at protecting Corporate profits Ian62 Jan 2013 #66

If this was France :- Ian62 Jan 2013 #67

The 99% lost on this deal Ian62 Jan 2013 #69