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Flybywire

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54. 787 problems should only occur in "new" airplanes.
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jan 2013

Al Baker is correct. The 787 electrical system was started on the drawing board over 9 years ago then, major parts of the generator system were designed and tested over over the next few years by Hamilton Sundstrand. HS has had many, many years to uncover "new" glitches. I believe Boeing is misleading the media, their customers and the public when they try to make us think that the 787 was "new" just last year. If new, that would be a reasonable excuse.

Here is my take on the generator problem:
I have worked for several firms which designed electrical products for the 787. The amount of engineering worst-case-analysis (WCA) was huge compared to any aircraft I have worked on before. At each company which designed these products, there would be like 3 engineers working for 4 months straight analyzing every single transistor to find What is the effect if each part was too hot? too cold? bad tolerance? etc etc.

THE BIG PROBLEM that I saw though was that, often the equations the engineers were ordered to use were just simply incorrect. If the tier-2 supplier had never heard of tail-loss in an IGBT for example, then you weren't allowed to use tail-loss in your equations. Reliability equations for some parts were based on failure modes which were only common in 1942, now they're completely different (example: failure modes for transistors are NOT the same as for old fashion tubes).
Try to bring up this madness to the tier-2 supplier? They would get angry and say, "Schedule!"

The effect was that we got paid (and paid well) to create huge documents with the word, "quality" stamped on the front of each page.

Our mission was NOT to create a quality airplane. Our mission was to create quality paperwork.

It's an amazing machine... The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #1
Wow. It almost makes it sound like all the pilot has to do is Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #2
Tell me the 787 isn't running Apple Maps software... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #4
I'm not sure the pilot even has to do that. trof Dec 2012 #5
Works great until you get a re-route, yes? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #7
Or something breaks. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #24
Yes, all that stuff can be uploaded to the FMS. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #19
Believe it or not the technology for that is not all that advanced Major Nikon Dec 2012 #11
Oh, yes it is. Trust me - The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #15
I'm not saying the 787 doesn't have very advanced avionics Major Nikon Dec 2012 #16
U.S. Govt. Remote Controlled Jumbo Jet Into Target In 1984 green for victory Dec 2012 #21
B-720 wasn't a 'jumbo'. trof Dec 2012 #25
What's there to hmmm about? Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #36
Fascinating. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #3
Day-um! DemoTex Dec 2012 #6
And a 1,000 KVA electrical system The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #10
You ain't gettin ME on one-uh them things! trof Dec 2012 #14
Screw it. I want circuit breakers. Not 'virtual' circuit breakers. trof Dec 2012 #26
First computers replaced Flight Engineers and pilots didn't complain, jody Dec 2012 #8
They'll use vending machines. trof Dec 2012 #13
1.4 gigawatts of power high density Dec 2012 #9
I think that is supposed to be 1.4 Megawatts ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #34
It is hard to fathom madokie Dec 2012 #12
. green for victory Dec 2012 #17
Nice one!!! Excellent!! Nt PCIntern Dec 2012 #38
Another cool thing: the electronic checklist. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #18
I'm having fun picturing how, say, the Wrights would react to something like that. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #20
Just to keep things in perspective - SharonAnn Dec 2012 #22
Yes, UPS has had at least one crash with fatalities. trof Dec 2012 #28
Also, EVERY airline has an aircraft logbook where discrepancies are wtitten up. trof Dec 2012 #29
Always fascinated by American aviation innovation Politicub Dec 2012 #23
Bookmarked to read later. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #27
Sounds like all the delays were worth the wait liberal N proud Dec 2012 #30
Absolutely fascinating! But I have to question one thing .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #31
Aviation Week review of 787 confirms ....... oldhippie Dec 2012 #32
Well, you need 1.21 GW for the flux capacitor, so you need a touch more for everything else. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #33
There's a very good reason to need 1.4 GW of electric jmowreader Dec 2012 #35
Very Nice Esse Quam Videri Dec 2012 #51
Wow trof! Gives new meaning to the term "bird brain"! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #37
fun fact of the day canonfodder Dec 2012 #39
Yeah, I need to memorize that. trof Dec 2012 #40
Trufully the RATs primary purpose if hydraulic pressure. Angleae Dec 2012 #41
strictly fly-by-wire canonfodder Dec 2012 #44
On a 757/767 it's still a cable but the cable is connected to the hyd package. Angleae Dec 2012 #46
THAT... Was Fantastic, Thank You !!! - But I Do Have A Humble Question... WillyT Dec 2012 #42
The more I hear about this plane the more I dislike it. Angleae Dec 2012 #43
The CRN? canonfodder Dec 2012 #45
Think 10 years from now. How many of those connections will still be tight? Angleae Dec 2012 #47
I understand... canonfodder Dec 2012 #48
Where at? Angleae Dec 2012 #49
Texas canonfodder Dec 2012 #50
Great read! PavePusher Dec 2012 #52
"Qatar Air 787 grounded on same electrical fault as United’s" KoKo Dec 2012 #53
787 problems should only occur in "new" airplanes. Flybywire Jan 2013 #54
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