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In reply to the discussion: Obama's Deal From a poor Person's Perspective [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)26. Only as
"ProSense, the spending cuts have yet to be negotiated."
...they relate to this deal. Conversely, those who advocate going over the cliff are basically saying they're willing to live with the consequences of the already signed into law spending cuts.
They're focused on the expiration of all the tax cuts as the most important thing, putting the spending cuts, extension of unemployment and other aid secondary to that goal. I know because I accepted that to let the tax cuts expire meant postponing any extension or even losing some of these programs and accepting the spending cuts.
Howard Dean: "I think the smart thing to do here is to go over the cliff..."
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022097157
Robert Reich:
More importantly, the fiscal cliff is on the Presidents side as well. If we go over it, he and the Democrats in the next Congress that starts later this week can quickly offer legislation that grants a middle-class tax cut and restores most military spending. Even rabid Republicans would be hard-pressed not to sign on.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022110382
Krugman acknowledges that some things will be lost.
As background, its important to understand what Obama clearly could have gotten just by going over the cliff. Basically, he could have gotten the whole of the Bush high-end tax cuts reversed, which would mean close to $800 billion in revenue over the next decade. What he couldnt get, or at least couldnt count on getting, were various spending items. This included the extension of unemployment benefits and various refundables on things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, that is, pieces of tax legislation that end up having the government cut checks to families instead of the other way around.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/conceder-in-chief-2/
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/conceder-in-chief-2/
The deal also states that every $1 in spending cuts negotiated in the next round, must be accompanied by $1 in tax increases.
Tax increases! Additional revenue is built into the deal.
From the perspective of someone like the OP, getting aid (current deal) is not worse than facing cuts to social programs (going over the cliff).
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Thank you for some much needed perspective. We have to look at the whole deal, not 1 number. nt
s-cubed
Jan 2013
#1
There's a reason that many progressive constituencies voted for Obama at higher levels than 2008
alcibiades_mystery
Jan 2013
#3
The cuts have yet to be negotiated. Until the debt ceiling has been raised, Social Security is stil
JDPriestly
Jan 2013
#17
And then there are those disqualified from EITC, retirees on SS, those making above cut-off...
Melinda
Jan 2013
#65
It is good to read the perspective of someone who will be hurt the most by any deal
stultusporcos
Jan 2013
#9
We shall see what happens in the House, but this deal does not foreclose pension cuts.
JDPriestly
Jan 2013
#31
Excellent - and I see the posts of gloom and doom as you predicted are showing up...
George II
Jan 2013
#20
Thank you, we need to remember what COULD have been...and how that didn't happen
radhika
Jan 2013
#30
My biggest objection to this deal is the situation that bore it. This whole problem was caused by a
Arcanetrance
Jan 2013
#32
This happens every time. Republicans despise these tax credits where the Feds end up sending a check
Pirate Smile
Jan 2013
#47