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MineralMan

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47. No. I have a problem with people looking at things in black and white.

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 01:35 PM

Jan 2013

The President keeps bringing it up because he knows that it is incredibly unpopular with the electorate. He knows that even the Republicans can't vote for it. It's a negotiating trick. "See...I'll even throw this thing in the mix...Oh...you don't want that? Well, there you are, then."

Some folks seem to think that Washington negotiations are done in black and white terms. President Obama has no intention of putting Chained CPI in the mix in reality. He's just using it to demonstrate just how lame and obstructive the Republicans are being. It's working.

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Where is that Chained CPI Everyone Was Sure Was Coming? [View all] MineralMan Jan 2013 OP

It will be part of the deal in two months! Or something... alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #1

+26,916 Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #41

Prophet Revises Date After Apocalypse Fails To Come jberryhill Jan 2013 #76

DU does seem to have a big share of Harold Campings. FSogol Jan 2013 #78

Yes indeed..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #90

i do not mess with anything until it happens cause really, there is so much information out there seabeyond Jan 2013 #2

That is so true. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #5

exactly. i read, i am informed then i watch, listen and wait. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #7

Am I right in thinking I heard the Dems (Obama and Biden specifically) weren't willing to even gateley Jan 2013 #34

what i find so often is what appears a contradiction. we will hear it is not... then obama says seabeyond Jan 2013 #70

And, just because he says something is on the table doesn't mean he's really going to consider gateley Jan 2013 #74

yes... seabeyond Jan 2013 #77

Its kind of like the football with them, every time: bhikkhu Jan 2013 #88

that made me chuckle. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #89

Apparently, We The People shouldn't Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #55

that's in the next round two months from now... bowens43 Jan 2013 #3

Actually, the G.O.P. has no leverage, either... regnaD kciN Jan 2013 #101

That's still up in the air Cal Carpenter Jan 2013 #4

On the floor, next to $1 trillion of the $1.6 trillion Obama promised to raise from the 2% MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #6

And to those Democrats who took the time to express their MineralMan Jan 2013 #23

Yes, absolutely. MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #64

Whew, I'm so glad you said that Oilwellian Jan 2013 #79

+1 Liberalynn Jan 2013 #94

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #30

It was offered by Obama but the pukes wouldn't deal (edited) Autumn Jan 2013 #8

They are in hiding today madokie Jan 2013 #9

if anyone said the chained CPI was a certainty this time around Enrique Jan 2013 #10

^^^ this ^^^ TDale313 Jan 2013 #53

+1 newfie11 Jan 2013 #67

Well said. And if anyone said Rep Pelosi supported it, I agree with them. Being worried isnt a bad rhett o rick Jan 2013 #72

+1 Liberalynn Jan 2013 #95

fair enough but I would also add that if someone is suggesting that it was offered without grantcart Jan 2013 #98

Let's not go overboard on nuance. hay rick Jan 2013 #100

Greenstein was on LO and said that it was his understanding that the offsets were grantcart Jan 2013 #106

CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT, and CORRECT Skittles Jan 2013 #104

Your post would be more helpful ecstatic Jan 2013 #110

"I'm not sure who to ask about this" R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #11

So SS and Medicare WON'T be on the agenda two months from now? You can forestpath Jan 2013 #12

The deal (as yet not House approved) does not include any debt ceiling concessions and so Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #13

Different Table Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #14

Tom, you're smart. I know you see the strategy here. Next round will bring the deluge. chimpymustgo Jan 2013 #22

This "given up all his leverage" line is tiresome bullshit... regnaD kciN Jan 2013 #102

Our inability to play even a good hand well is the "tiresome bullshit". chimpymustgo Jan 2013 #107

^^^This exactly. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #66

I guess they thought the Obama admin and the Republicans had the votes for it. Karmadillo Jan 2013 #15

Everyone was sure? Down goes another straw man. hay rick Jan 2013 #16

Yah, Obama sounded pretty enthusiastic about it in that quote, fer shure. MineralMan Jan 2013 #20

Are you calling the President a liar? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #27

President Obama is not a liar, nor did I suggest that he was. MineralMan Jan 2013 #35

Oh, I see. He's not a liar, but only because you're inside his head DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #45

Well, I'm going to go watch my Cornhuskers MineralMan Jan 2013 #56

Happy footballing. I did get what you're saying. I disagree with it. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #63

That short exchange is a perfect snapshot of the cognitive dissonance afflicting Obama Stalwarts whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #82

Yes, just downstream, and pining philosophical about our binary, limited, progressive thinking DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #99

Heh, yup whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #105

"I am calling President Obama a very clever negotiator." mzmolly Jan 2013 #84

I think it' s a lack of gradation. MineralMan Jan 2013 #92

Very odd, mzmolly Jan 2013 #97

Oh, bullshit, to this entire OP. He OFFERED CHAINED CPI DirkGently Jan 2013 #96

Regardless of his enthusiasm level, he made the offer. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #33

+1 n/t whathehell Jan 2013 #93

Here's Lindsay Graham on FoxNews on Sunday: Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #17

Lindsay Graham, eh? MineralMan Jan 2013 #18

I thought I had seen it all on DU, but quoting Lindsey Graham??? Really?? Yikes. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #21

Yabbut, Lindsay Graham sets policy...oh...wait... MineralMan Jan 2013 #25

You asked what happened to the Chained CPI talk. The Republicans will now pick it up. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #32

"Give that man a cigar!" earthside Jan 2013 #26

Don't worry...those folks will come up with something to.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #19

Already have. Same shit, different day. The Teabagger wing of DU scours the nets for bad newz. freshwest Jan 2013 #39

+1! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #85

Happy New Year, sheshe! We're both going to have a great day, every day, unlike some... freshwest Jan 2013 #86

LOL! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #87

It's like that invasion of Iran they are sure is coming. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #24

Well, there's still time for that, you know. MineralMan Jan 2013 #28

Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #29

Isn't it amazing how many people imagined that Obama said chained CPI was on the table? Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #50

And nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to.. SidDithers Jan 2013 #75

Conjured worries and woes. It's the latest fad at DU. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #31

Double, double, toil and trouble... MineralMan Jan 2013 #43

So, Obama and Pelosi were lying when they said chained CPI was part of Obama's proposal? Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #44

Do whatever you want to do. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #71

We complain before bad shit happens to prevent it. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #36

The OP seems to think that Obama was lying when he said chained CPI was on the table. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #40

Alot of people seem to think he did it as some kind of a fake-out move to trick the gop. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #48

And if it was a trick (which I don't believe), it was a cruel cynical ploy... Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #52

Yeah it's mean. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #60

Apparently, you have a problem with people taking Obama seriously. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #37

No. I have a problem with people looking at things in black and white. MineralMan Jan 2013 #47

I find it funny that I, an autistic person, can see the nuance, and... Odin2005 Jan 2013 #54

Interesting. And food for thought. MineralMan Jan 2013 #59

Proudly and insistently guilty my man. That is EXACTLY how I want it to be, Odin. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #69

Thank you for proving my point! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #73

You're welcome. I don't get any value from your point but am glad to help. I embrace it and wonder TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #80

I actually think McConnell took it off the table almost immediately after putting it on the table. MoonRiver Jan 2013 #38

In One of the 1200 days of upcoming debt ceiling negotiations HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #42

The DU doom-reverends had to postpone the rapture/apocalypse again, tjwash Jan 2013 #46

It is time once again to consult the oracle and cast the bones: MineralMan Jan 2013 #49

Or a magic 8-ball! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #61

They predict DOOOOOOOOM!!! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #58

Yeah, but..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #91

That comes again in the next round Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #51

It's certainly no thanks to OurPOTUS that chained CPI wasn't in the deal. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #57

yeah if he didn't get it, it wasn't for lack of trying. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #65

Maybe a lesson on democracy and politics is in order... TheProgressive Jan 2013 #62

Yep. aquart Jan 2013 #68

Ooh, seeking praise for not dropping the axe OBAMA held over seniors' heads, woo me with science Jan 2013 #81

February when the next GOP Hostage Event Occurs stultusporcos Jan 2013 #83

It's on the table. NT. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #103

It's waiting in wings for the next hostage taking. 99Forever Jan 2013 #108

Some had genuine concern, but some were trolling ecstatic Jan 2013 #109