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ProSense

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11. It's not hard to see.

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:17 PM

Dec 2012

Everyone understood the dynamics of the health care debate.

Few understood the dynamics of the 2011 deal, which is what, along with the election, gave the President a lot of leverage. Oh, the election was a big part, but the sequestration and the tax cuts expiring enhanced that leverage.

The fact that Republicans are coming out of this deal with another hostage is beyond bizarre. And remember, the President loses leverage on tax increases.

The other way around. He would have room to give. His hand would be strengthened.

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White House, Senate unveil final, even stupider 'fiscal cliff' deal. Vote expected tonight. [View all] ProSense Dec 2012 OP

Theater of the abusrd. Do they know how absolutely incompetent they look? geckosfeet Dec 2012 #1

They are not incompetent in the least. woo me with science Dec 2012 #16

Got that right! Was watching C-Span and saw all the handshaking and backslapping DearHeart Jan 2013 #36

I would think the Repubs would be stronger around the time the debt ceiling debate arrives? kentuck Dec 2012 #2

What's even more stupid is that ProSense Dec 2012 #3

Yep. kentuck Dec 2012 #7

It's not hard to see. ProSense Dec 2012 #11

Yes, I am surprised as well. Prosense IMHO is usually more forgiving R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #14

Debt ceiling + military cuts + cuts to social programs... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #10

110 Billion in cuts for a measly 2 month reprieve from hostage taking? Blaukraut Dec 2012 #4

No kidding. ProSense Dec 2012 #5

My hunch is that they have made a deal not to challenge the debt ceiling vote when it comes up? kentuck Dec 2012 #8

Who could they have made that deal with? Lasher Dec 2012 #21

"There's something else at work here." woo me with science Dec 2012 #18

Congress appears to have inadvertently "won the war on terror" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #6

Lemme guess... W_HAMILTON Dec 2012 #9

I have not kept a running tally on this, but how many times R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #15

the thing is that Obama gives them the shim Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #26

That's crazy talk, gangnam style! R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #28

I have no idea what your post says Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #29

Right. Everyone knows it's shiv pscot Jan 2013 #34

You are absolutely spot on with your prediction. Their gamesmanship and collusion is transparent and In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #20

The vote was 89-8 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2013 #37

Yeah, and it came after we had already gone off "the fiscal cliff" W_HAMILTON Jan 2013 #38

Finally, the Republicans will know they can trust us MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12

The deficit is only a problem bongbong Dec 2012 #13

And Boehner will never let it come to the floor of the House RomneyLies Dec 2012 #17

Dumbest political maneuver yet Aerows Dec 2012 #19

Stop it from passing. Better we go over the cliff. Pryderi Dec 2012 #22

No, it's not better we "go over the cliff" NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #23

Republicans lost BIG time on this. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #24

We might have given Boehner the light at the end of the tunnel he needs. Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #25

This is like a pro wrestling match, with the outcome predetermined in the locker room DJ13 Jan 2013 #27

Long on name-calling, short on analysis alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #30

You are aware of these individuals that call themselves Republicans, right? W_HAMILTON Jan 2013 #31

I don't think they're going to play nice at all alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #33

Looks like all it takes is one Senator to put a hold on the deal RomneyLies Jan 2013 #32

Hopefully they torpedo this nonsense Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #35