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In reply to the discussion: Transcript from my show, how to move the needle on Gun Control [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)60. no. read this.
Government figures from the National Survey of Criminal Victimization suggest 100,000 uses a year of guns in self-defense against crime, the vast majority of these uses being the display of weapons to deter or dissuade.
There are some problems with these government numbers, beginning with the fact that they are based on data from the early 1990s, when crime rates were much higher than they are today. The number of criminal attempts has declined 30% to 40% since then, and one would expect the number of occasions for self-defense to decline correspondingly.
For gun advocates, however, the main problem with the government estimate is that it is not nearly high enough to support their case that private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime. Many of them prefer another statistic, this from a study published in 1995 arguing that Americans use guns in self-defense some 2.5 million times a year, or once every 13 seconds. A Google search finds more than 1 million citations of this study posted online.
You can read the study here.
The trouble is that this claim of 2.5 million defensive gun uses is manifestly flawed and misleading.
Let's review the ways:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinion/frum-guns-safer/index.html
***
"The simple truth is that more guns
equal more death.
An analysis this year from the Violence Policy Center found that states with low gun ownership rates and strong gun laws have the lowest rates of gun death. The report continued, by contrast, states with weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership had far higher rates of firearm-related death. According to the analysis, Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut had the lowest per capita gun death rates. Each of those states had strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates. On the other hand, ranking first in the nation for gun death was Louisiana, followed by Wyoming, Alabama, Montana, and Mississippi. Those states had weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership.
Whats more, deaths may be a misleading statistic that minimizes the true breadth of gun violence. Another report this year by the Violence Policy Center, using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. Why the difference between rates of shootings and deaths? Advances in emergency services including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers as well as better surgical techniques, the report said. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/blow-guns-smoke-and-mirrors.html
There are some problems with these government numbers, beginning with the fact that they are based on data from the early 1990s, when crime rates were much higher than they are today. The number of criminal attempts has declined 30% to 40% since then, and one would expect the number of occasions for self-defense to decline correspondingly.
For gun advocates, however, the main problem with the government estimate is that it is not nearly high enough to support their case that private gun ownership is the best way to stop crime. Many of them prefer another statistic, this from a study published in 1995 arguing that Americans use guns in self-defense some 2.5 million times a year, or once every 13 seconds. A Google search finds more than 1 million citations of this study posted online.
You can read the study here.
The trouble is that this claim of 2.5 million defensive gun uses is manifestly flawed and misleading.
Let's review the ways:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinion/frum-guns-safer/index.html
***
"The simple truth is that more guns
equal more death.
An analysis this year from the Violence Policy Center found that states with low gun ownership rates and strong gun laws have the lowest rates of gun death. The report continued, by contrast, states with weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership had far higher rates of firearm-related death. According to the analysis, Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut had the lowest per capita gun death rates. Each of those states had strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates. On the other hand, ranking first in the nation for gun death was Louisiana, followed by Wyoming, Alabama, Montana, and Mississippi. Those states had weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership.
Whats more, deaths may be a misleading statistic that minimizes the true breadth of gun violence. Another report this year by the Violence Policy Center, using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that while gun deaths remained relatively flat from 2000 to 2008, the total number of people shot went up nearly 20 percent since 2001. Why the difference between rates of shootings and deaths? Advances in emergency services including the 911 system and establishment of trauma centers as well as better surgical techniques, the report said. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/blow-guns-smoke-and-mirrors.html
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You tell me. You seem to know a lot more about Fox News than I do. You agree with hosts there
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#11
I know this ...the gun debate on DU is totally one sided ...and that is not a debate of any sort.
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#13
That a huge percentage of your fellow DUers disagree with you ought to give you pause.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#16
Going along with the gang is not always the right thing to do but it sure does make...
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#18
P.S. thanks for kicking my OP on gun control, and demonstrating your right wing viewpoints. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#12
Exactly. Why is "Gun Enthusiast" considered a slur now? Isn't that what they are?
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#28
if you are seriously trying to say the NRA owns the 2nd amendment, or has any frigging regard for it
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#39
No, we want to look at both. The solution is multi-faceted with guns being part of solution.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#6
here's an good article (old) about the causes of murder. from 1957 - hardly ANY GUNS
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#70
More attention should be paid to the 'well-regulated' part of the 2nd amendment.
Blanks
Dec 2012
#15
I agree, and the point of that part of the gun control segment on my show is, getting to the point
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#17
We reduced the proportion of male youths aged 16-26 in the population and that is what tracks
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#23
right, more guns "did not decrease". THEY INCREASED murders. they do it EVERY DAY 18.8 times
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#71
did your post contain a link or any truth, AT ALL? i think not- "The simple truth is that more guns
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#33
and? isn't it odd how you never even mention the NRA for some reason? as if it doesn't exist?
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#59
Well there are going to be a lot more firearms in civilian hands in the immediate future. ...
spin
Jan 2013
#61
civilians are running out of hands for the damn guns. do you shoot with your feet?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#69
I have never bought into the NRA propaganda that the feds will confiscate my guns ...
spin
Jan 2013
#101
that is complete BS- the 5 states with worst laws=most deaths,5 with best laws=least deaths- read it
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
and cherry picked ONE number from that site, stop wasting my time look at post #88
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#90
you are looking at one number and saying it is proof for a bunch of hoo-hah
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#124
then why do you keep saying they are so necessary and vital for your protection
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#73
Maybe not directly, but yes it does hurt indirectly. I'm sure you don't care, though.
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#99
Definitely, also taking prescription meds that affect judgement, while around your lethal weapons.
Hoyt
Jan 2013
#103
Give them props for at least recognizing the danger what I propose poses to their precious guns.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#26
ha ha ha ha ha! stealing my trick are ya? #40, right back at ya! woo hoo!
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#41
i agree, this guy is paid WAY too much. making you look bad, really...focus, now...
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#75
how could a GUN BAN lower violence when VIOLENCE HAS NOT ACTUALLY GONE DOWN?!?!?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#77
no,they don't,you are using ONE number from 1 of their pages,and not using it very well, i'm afraid
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#88
i think you are trying to brainwash people about gun violence and you should stop
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#76
(Fact#1 states with least gun laws=more deaths)+(Fact#2 states with most gun laws=least deaths)=
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#111
i don't think you can call it a "fact" when it is just some words you type.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#117
the FBI would be the 1st to say they aren't in the 'facts' business. those are numbers that you are
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#125
that sure ain't 50%, says nothing about where the deaths were or what the gun laws were in place
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#130
more guns means nothing- what about the number of gun OWNERS going down? means less guns in public
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#149
The press needs to stop shielding the public from the victims of gun violence
Fresh_Start
Dec 2012
#29
No, that is what I am talking about. Moving the needle so we can amend it. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#47
No Shortage Of Gun Violence At Start Of New Year (Huff Post) we only made it 30 minutes into 2013...
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#94
All we need now is enough people to do it. I posted your links last night.
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#116
Little Girls Survives New Year's Shooting (sic) (come on, ABC? sp. error in the actual web address?)
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#127
12:33 PM EST Jan 02, 2013 - Police: Man kills self after fatally shooting girlfriend-WTAE Pittsburgh
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#129
Did you explain to your audience that CRS reports as gun number increased, murder rate decreased?
jody
Jan 2013
#140
did you happen to mention your 'CRS report' is 118 pages long and you posted 2 lines?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#147