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BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
251. There has been NO positive side to BP for the person I love.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

You have no idea what you are talking about when you attempt
to discuss the illness, and YES, it IS an illness.
Please educate yourself before commenting further.
At this point, you appear completely clueless as to the damage
BP causes in the lives of those who are affected and those who love them.
I am going to write to the admins about the damage people like you
and HPD do to the mental health community- it should be a TOS violation IMO.

BHN

Heaven forbid people miss more than a few days of work Catherina Dec 2012 #1
If it helps people to get over their grief, then good...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #2
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #20
Awwwww, you've been tombstoned again already... SidDithers Dec 2012 #28
My 76 year old father took a mild Jenoch Dec 2012 #3
i think you mean you *wouldn't* condemn it, right? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #4
Fixed, thank you. Jenoch Dec 2012 #7
What could go wrong? green for victory Dec 2012 #5
I couldn't agree with you more! StarryNite Dec 2012 #27
Finally someone shared this side of the story AndSheGoesDown Dec 2012 #117
While prescribing an anti-depressant in some cases may be appropriate dballance Dec 2012 #6
You may not be aware of it, Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #45
You are correct dballance Dec 2012 #46
I don't see why we can't treat subclinical resp. infections and emotional discomfort HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #8
you're comparing anti-depressants to anti-histamines? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #9
No. I'm comparing two sources of discomfort and HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #11
Because prescription drugs kill more people than diabetes, than illegal drugs, than influenza & HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12
Who is to determine normal grief? Who is to say when the HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #21
and doctors don't prescribe heroin for head colds. in fact, they don't generally prescribe HiPointDem Dec 2012 #23
Jack Daniels is a common self-medication for grief...it's got problems too. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #26
your condescending attitude is duly noted. alcohol = non-prescription, & cheap. and more HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36
A lot of depression/anxiety medications are cheap and effective long term. I know. I take one. phleshdef Dec 2012 #39
I take it too larwdem Dec 2012 #52
Me too vankuria Dec 2012 #207
show me where 'brain chemistry imbalance' has ever been demonstrated in the scientific literature. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #102
but the pain is back worse the next day with alcohol, and it can easily become a crutch. bettyellen Dec 2012 #88
no -- they give *your* system a 'kickstart', apparently. but *you* are not the population. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #89
nice bullshit attempt at shaming *me*. if you don't know how SSRIs work and prefer hangovers bettyellen Dec 2012 #96
Drawing attention to the fact that you are not the only human being in the world, your experience HiPointDem Dec 2012 #98
you seem to be really thick about the fact I was talking about my Mom and 6 other people bettyellen Dec 2012 #112
as i said before, your experiences are not the *only* experiences. nor are the experiences HiPointDem Dec 2012 #145
particularly when alcohol is itself a depressant TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #152
thoroughly fucked up and dangerous was exactly my thought. bettyellen Dec 2012 #172
"dangerous"? OMG. fucked up indeed. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #183
to go around and tell people who've been helped by meds that they are wrong because of bettyellen Dec 2012 #185
I didn't say anything like that. Go back and look at the post I was responding to and my response. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #187
is bereavement now 'mental illness?' imagine that. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #180
The OP should ring a bell. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #267
And I'll treat a mild sub-clinical condition with... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #48
How you possibly speak for anyone easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #64
And that's exactly whay YOU are doing. TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #67
one day larwdem Dec 2012 #84
how do you know 'it' hasn't happened to him? Other people are not *you*. Most people who HiPointDem Dec 2012 #91
Are you a qualified medical professional? idwiyo Dec 2012 #189
1) It doesn't take a 'qualified medical professional' to assert that bereavement is not a HiPointDem Dec 2012 #192
Thank you for admitting you are not a qualified professional. More inside. idwiyo Dec 2012 #198
First, I didn't say I wasn't a 'qualified professional.' That's just what you read *into* what I HiPointDem Jan 2013 #258
you larwdem Jan 2013 #269
how do you know 'it' hasn't already 'happened' to me? answer: you don't. you don't know HiPointDem Jan 2013 #270
I understand that it's necessary for you. TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #191
so deeply sorry easttexaslefty Skittles Dec 2012 #184
I am so so sorry. ((((Hugs)))) idwiyo Dec 2012 #188
it's bad, isn't it? Skittles Dec 2012 #216
Yes. hugs to you too. idwiyo Dec 2012 #218
There is no comparison. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #62
and so can ssri's. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #74
I don't quite understand what you're saying -- you seem to support the pill-pushing, except for - downandoutnow Dec 2012 #10
In addition to being a post about anti-depressants it's also a post that reflects HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #15
grief is a mental dysfunction? that's the level of absolute craziness this crap is getting to. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #17
Only because you are in a low information state regarding definitions of pathology HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #22
it's your own editorializing that added 'perpetual'. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #25
Jesus you are dense or just looking for a way to take exception HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #29
maybe it's you who's dense. physicians have always been free to prescribe for 'grief' that goes HiPointDem Dec 2012 #31
Better than someone becoming a newly formed alcoholic or something. Neoma Dec 2012 #60
if they're the type to become alcoholic because of grief, they're also the type to have a similar HiPointDem Dec 2012 #75
Uhm, a lot of people with mental health issues have had drug issues. Neoma Dec 2012 #94
Who made you sit through crap tama Dec 2012 #236
Ya. Sometimes it is. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #66
what the hell do you know about what i have or haven't experienced? as i said before, docs HiPointDem Dec 2012 #76
Yes actually. The changes occur in the neurotransmitter functions in the brain. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #90
Thank you....HPD is seriously uninformed about SSRIs. bettyellen Dec 2012 #113
Everything you do changes 'neurotransmitter function in the brain.' Everything. The very fact HiPointDem Dec 2012 #146
And your statements signify your willful state of ignorance. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #222
Um...I WOULD criticize someone for taking a med for a runny nose! postrinserepeat.... Dec 2012 #19
It's everyone's choice to choose to be a social bully, to criticize others for taking cold remedies HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #24
And what do you call, browbeating a doctor into prescribing... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #50
Thank you for bringing us yet ANOTHER example of the rampant pill-pushing going on these days. downandoutnow Dec 2012 #13
Grieving is a social and emotional process. undeterred Dec 2012 #14
Emotional processes are chemical in nature. phleshdef Dec 2012 #41
and chemical processes are emotional in nature. and ssri's are no more effective, in aggregate, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #81
you're completely wrong about ssris and placebos. i hope no one believes this shit. bettyellen Dec 2012 #115
oh, "completely" wrong? how's that? Most people diagnosed with depression & put on SSRIs HiPointDem Dec 2012 #123
Bereavement can CAUSE serious clinical depression. bettyellen Dec 2012 #124
And physicians have always had that option. The new decision is not about 'serious clinical HiPointDem Dec 2012 #133
Um no, chemical process are not emotional. phleshdef Dec 2012 #164
lol. you only think so because you are out of my depth. you have no idea what i'm talking about. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #166
You are talking a bunch of borderline scientology bullshit. phleshdef Dec 2012 #168
And you have no argument, thus the name-calling. Please, link me to a post about 'scientology HiPointDem Dec 2012 #173
OMG, Tom Cruise is in the house! bettyellen Dec 2012 #175
You can't be serious. This would be ignorance of such a breathtaking proportion it must be a joke. idwiyo Dec 2012 #214
Prove me wrong or shut the fuck up. phleshdef Dec 2012 #238
I think you replied to the wrong person :) idwiyo Dec 2012 #245
LOL. My sincerest apologies sir. phleshdef Dec 2012 #246
Not a problem :) Happy New Year! idwiyo Dec 2012 #247
Umm tama Dec 2012 #237
how long is it okay to be depressed? Ten years, twenty of forty? I've seen it happen. bettyellen Dec 2012 #120
Christians put people into despair and depression shintao Dec 2012 #16
wtf does religion have to do with this op? and for that matter, it's bullshit that non-christians HiPointDem Dec 2012 #18
No, what's bullshit is the ridiculous Christian/Western... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #53
talking about 'other cultures' in aggregate as if they were all the same is bullshit; and 'other HiPointDem Dec 2012 #83
I have been on many different meds for depression over the years. Jennicut Dec 2012 #30
Celexa is a good, cheap, inoffensive anti-anxiety medication. phleshdef Dec 2012 #38
Celexa is not so inoffensive. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #61
Agreed, active management is required by a psychiatrist TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #65
Antidepressants cause different reactions in people. Jennicut Dec 2012 #77
It is your subject line that is the key. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #136
what works for one doesn't necessarily work well for others TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #160
Well some people can't handle certain medications, whether it be for blood pressure, diabetes... phleshdef Dec 2012 #167
Antidepressants are different than medications than medications Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #199
Do you have statistics to back that up? phleshdef Dec 2012 #200
It isn't how frequently they occur that matters - Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #204
Man when I was in college, 19 years old, I had some pretty crazy sex hookups. phleshdef Dec 2012 #206
That is part of how insidious it is. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #217
+1, it's amazing around here sometimes Union Scribe Dec 2012 #70
Abso-fucking-lutely... SidDithers Dec 2012 #72
It has been really good for me. Jennicut Dec 2012 #78
Effexor has been the best one for me easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #194
then why does it come with a black-box warning? NO SSRI is 'inoffensive'. they ALL have similar HiPointDem Dec 2012 #85
And so does blood pressure medication, diabetes medication, heart medication, etc. phleshdef Dec 2012 #162
Yes, there's a reason they're supposed to be prescribed by a doctor. But not all prescription meds HiPointDem Dec 2012 #170
You act like you want me to draw you a fucking picture or something. phleshdef Dec 2012 #174
link me to some. since you say they're plentiful. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #176
Not that you deserve the effort... phleshdef Dec 2012 #179
The first link is not to an actual study, but a popularized summary of a study done in 2000. The HiPointDem Dec 2012 #186
Just because something was written for normal human consumption... phleshdef Dec 2012 #197
of course it's less valid when it doesn't report the study results & implications accurately. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #208
You've failed to prove that brain chemistry imbalance doesn't exist. phleshdef Dec 2012 #209
you really don't know anything about the subject, as you've demonstrated quite thoroughly. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #210
You don't need to know much. Its settled, widely accepted science. phleshdef Dec 2012 #211
A popularized explanation from a 'medical professional,' a psych prof at Brown U, just for you. 2/12 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #212
You conveniently left out a lot of what he said in the video. phleshdef Dec 2012 #219
CBS: So how well do scientists & psychiatrists understand the causes of depression? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #221
We don't grieve enough Smilo Dec 2012 #32
+1. when you love someone you never 'get over' their death, you just learn to live with the fact HiPointDem Dec 2012 #33
+1 to you and Smilo n/t dflprincess Dec 2012 #97
yeah, everyone experiences the same level of harmless but perpetual grief that you did! bettyellen Dec 2012 #118
We have an old tradition of "professional" cry-women tama Dec 2012 #240
Our friends in the pharma industry CARE about people. AndyA Dec 2012 #34
It helped my grandmother get her head back together whenever my dad died. phleshdef Dec 2012 #35
oh bullshit. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #37
Oh not bullshit. You are ignorant. You might as well be against all medicine. phleshdef Dec 2012 #42
+1 and hugs to you and your grandma. idwiyo Dec 2012 #43
name-calling duly noted. to clarify, i was saying 'bullshit' to your 'some people are ignorant, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #95
You seem to be telling the people that SSRIs helped Confusious Dec 2012 #140
I have never said a word about people's personal experiences except that their experiences are HiPointDem Dec 2012 #141
You seem to be running around telling everyone that their experiences don't matter Confusious Dec 2012 #144
actually, i started off posting a pretty straightforward article about changes in psychiatric HiPointDem Dec 2012 #147
Unhappiness can be depression also Confusious Dec 2012 #150
nope, 'unhappiness' is not clinical depression, even if it goes on for years. but such fogginess HiPointDem Dec 2012 #151
Sorry, but you're wrong Confusious Dec 2012 #153
there are many reasons for unhappiness, even long-lived unhappiness, and not all of them are HiPointDem Dec 2012 #156
Again, you're wrong Confusious Dec 2012 #161
Calling you ignorant means that I'm saying that you don't know what you are talking about. phleshdef Dec 2012 #158
no, what you mean is that you don't *believe* i know what i'm talking about. and the reason you HiPointDem Dec 2012 #163
You've offered to basically make the Tom Cruise argument. phleshdef Dec 2012 #169
and you are constantly going to the ad hominem argument. I am not tom cruise, nor a scientologist. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #171
You might as well be. Your argument is just as looney. phleshdef Dec 2012 #177
my argument is that bereavement is not clinical depression and doesn't require medication. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #178
You are wrong. Major depressive disorders can be triggered by bereavement. phleshdef Dec 2012 #182
everything he says can be said of ANY medication, including many OTCs. and is bullshit bettyellen Dec 2012 #119
Exactly. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #132
Was this article written by scientologists by any chance? Sure sounds like it to me. idwiyo Dec 2012 #40
yet, Mother Tersa and the Scientologists could have written half these posts. bettyellen Dec 2012 #125
I don't think there is a clear-cut LWolf Dec 2012 #44
People close to me have been dying since I was a little kid, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #47
If it prevents a suicide, then I am all for it Taverner Dec 2012 #49
the drugs also increase suicide risk, so how would you tell? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #93
...significant financial implications for the $10 billion U.S. antidepressant market... MADem Dec 2012 #51
"Society teaches us that having feelings and crying is bad and wrong. arely staircase Dec 2012 #54
Of course grief isn't wrong. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #69
that's not what this new ruling is about. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #87
You misunderstand. woo me with science Dec 2012 #159
I would probably do something crazy like try vitamins first... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #55
"Better left to nature" has been replaced due to the profit margin & so goes "first, do no harm". mother earth Dec 2012 #56
What else is "better left to nature"? Union Scribe Dec 2012 #71
grief is not a disease. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #92
Tell me, what exactly do you actually know about bipolar disorder? BeHereNow Dec 2012 #99
is grief now 'bipolar disorder' as well as 'depression' now? gee, science is wonderful. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #100
You are unbelievable and did not answer my question. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #103
did you even *read* the OP? do you know what *bereaved* means? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #105
Yes, I know VERY well what bereaved means. You know nothing about BeHereNow Dec 2012 #109
I don't? Is that so? Perhaps I know a great deal about it, but disagree with your analysis and HiPointDem Dec 2012 #116
What is obvious is that you are trying to discourage others from looking for professional help. idwiyo Dec 2012 #190
To whom have I offered medical advice? On whom have I "forced" medical advice? Please link me. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #193
Every single of your posts here. To everyone who reads them. idwiyo Dec 2012 #201
It's calling tama Dec 2012 #241
And please do tell me what you know about the BP brain malfunctions. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #248
That is your choice then and I respect that tama Dec 2012 #250
There has been NO positive side to BP for the person I love. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #251
That is your narrative about your life situation tama Dec 2012 #252
Wanna come walk a mile in my shoes? BeHereNow Dec 2012 #253
Please feel free to share tama Dec 2012 #254
Thank you for your invitation- BeHereNow Dec 2012 #255
Depression is. nt Union Scribe Dec 2012 #128
the OP, & the new ruling, is not about 'depression'. It's about NORMAL BEREAVEMENT. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #130
Is grief disease? Today we skip diagnosis, feeling is disease. Are you kidding? nt mother earth Jan 2013 #266
I was so thankful when my doctor put me on some short term after the death of my fiancé. CraftyGal Dec 2012 #57
i am sorry that happened to you and glad you let yourself find love and live. n/t babydollhead Dec 2012 #58
People used to be given longer to mourn TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #59
so can antidepressants. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #265
while america has been fighting pot wars, big pharma has been incessantly drugging us... spanone Dec 2012 #63
the Feds had the time to file a patent on pot... green for victory Dec 2012 #68
This place looks positively dumb when psychiatry comes up. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #73
+1 Care Acutely Dec 2012 #80
the only people who look dumb are the drug-pushers. worse than dumb, actually. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #86
You have no idea how much damage you are doing tonight. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #106
The OP is about prescribing antidepressants to people who just lost a loved one. Not about HiPointDem Dec 2012 #108
Loss of a "loved one" can take many forms HiPointDem. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #110
the new ruling is not about those 'other contexts'. it is about your mother, father, spouse, child HiPointDem Dec 2012 #111
Again, you have not heard me. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #114
Everything you do changes neurotransmitter 'chemistry'. Moving your hand changes neurotransmitter HiPointDem Dec 2012 #126
Being in a constant state of grief is depression Confusious Dec 2012 #143
You don't know anything about me. But I know you think you can read minds. Over the internet, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #148
It's easy to tell people who've never had real depression Confusious Dec 2012 #149
as i said, i don't offer my personal experience up to score points in pissing matches. but you're HiPointDem Dec 2012 #154
Like I said, I don't have to read minds, only a few written words. Confusious Dec 2012 #155
a person using racial epitaphs (sic) is not automatically a racist, either. and you are no HiPointDem Dec 2012 #157
I said I wasn't a mind reader Confusious Dec 2012 #165
I understand that bereavement is not clinical depression, and it's not mental illness. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #181
I was depressed once, Why don't you just snap out of it, Go find something to do, idwiyo Dec 2012 #213
+1 Union Scribe Dec 2012 #129
Oh dear. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #127
Bereavement is now mental illness, is that what you're pushing? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #131
You do know, I hope, that people with Union Scribe Dec 2012 #134
Doctors have always had it as an option. The old standard was if person didn't return to normal HiPointDem Dec 2012 #137
You're contradicting yourself Union Scribe Dec 2012 #138
doctors have always had the option to prescribe when bereavement turned into pathology: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #139
you ignore this link green for victory Dec 2012 #196
I don't see a problem with this, taken on a case by case basis Care Acutely Dec 2012 #79
A problem I have with this is that once on Ilsa Dec 2012 #82
On the contrary, doctors generally have you taper down after you've been taking them TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #121
My late mother ... CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #101
Did you know wellbutrin is given for smoking cessation? Under the name Zyban. And it's in the HiPointDem Dec 2012 #104
My mother is deceased CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #135
Antidepressants can cause physical dependency. Quantess Dec 2012 #107
Yes they do, but the alternative is worse Confusious Dec 2012 #142
Psychiatric meds shouldn't be taken lightly AndSheGoesDown Dec 2012 #122
Ugh. dkf Dec 2012 #195
This is entirely different from the standard treatment I've heard about. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #202
I got through it without medication this year. Just some counseling for nightmares and sleep issues. slackmaster Dec 2012 #203
OMG! I FEEL something. Quick, give me a pill so I won't have to be human. nt Speck Tater Dec 2012 #205
In general, I've always liked your posts- but not this one. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #223
I sat at my wife's side as she died. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #226
Not everyone has your good fortune- and my apology for assuming so- BeHereNow Dec 2012 #227
I understand. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #231
one thing people can perhaps agree on is that capitalists try to expand their markets & use HiPointDem Dec 2012 #234
Drug companies don't try to create cures. They try to create customers. nt Speck Tater Dec 2012 #235
+1,000,000! Where do people taking their drugs think Pharma's profits come from? Catherina Dec 2012 #244
Yes tama Dec 2012 #239
Let me tell you a personal story of taking antidepressants for grief. Avalux Dec 2012 #215
Grief is an emotional process AnnieBW Dec 2012 #220
Educate yourself HPD- before making a FOOL OF YOURSELF. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #224
There are neurotransmitter changes with loss/grief? My my. Isn't that amazing. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #225
No, not really. You have revealed yourself as the LEAST educated on this matter. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #228
and yours is amusing to anyone who understands the basics about what neurotransmitters are, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #229
Please- expound on the topic as it relates to mental health... BeHereNow Dec 2012 #230
& you wouldn't understand it if you heard it. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #232
As I predicted... you have nothing of substance to respond with. BeHereNow Dec 2012 #249
You are closed to all input. not my problem. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #257
You are comic relief at this point! "Input?" Are you serious? WHAT input? BeHereNow Jan 2013 #260
i've offered plenty of substantial input. more than you, actually. you've offered a lot of HiPointDem Jan 2013 #261
Substantial input? PLEASE give me examples. BeHereNow Jan 2013 #262
lol. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #264
This man IS a doctor green for victory Jan 2013 #263
Were it not for Paxil, I'm not sure I'd be here WilmywoodNCparalegal Dec 2012 #233
I highly recommend "Demystifying Psychiatry" gulliver Dec 2012 #242
+1. Exactly right, the profit motive and the pharmacorps are dictating the direction of medicine HiPointDem Dec 2012 #243
I have a friend from Ethiopia Matariki Dec 2012 #256
The west & the US used to give similar space & significance to mourning; for example, the practice HiPointDem Jan 2013 #259
Indeed. Both my parents are dead and I remember only having a couple days to 'deal' with it. Matariki Jan 2013 #268
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