That was posted in 2008. Too late to comment, I'm afraid. ;-) (Reply #54)

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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:50 PM

leveymg (36,418 posts)

54. That was posted in 2008. Too late to comment, I'm afraid. ;-)

I have to disagree with Matt Ygelsias on this one. Liberal means technocratic pragmatists of the John Dewey type, Cold War liberals like Hubert Humphrey and bland party apparachiks, such as Walter Mondale to me. I'll take the crusading Left Progressives and Anti-Imperialists, activists and fighters such as General Carl Schurz, Governor LaFollette and Henry Wallace.

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What is the difference between the terms "liberal" and "progressive" in American politics? [View all]	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	OP
You'll get a different answer from everyone.	MineralMan	Dec 2012	#1
This is a really great question and timely.	MrYikes	Dec 2012	#2
What is not stupid	tama	Dec 2012	#19
Not "stupid"	MissMillie	Dec 2012	#32
"Progressive" is the term that had to be pressed into service	annabanana	Dec 2012	#3
Correct	Freddie	Dec 2012	#15
The term Progressive goes back to the turn of the 20th Century. It denoted substantial reform	leveymg	Dec 2012	#52
That's a pretty good definition there levey.......	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#69
Actually, Liberal is actually a terribly non descriptive term. It means UNREGULATED.	KittyWampus	Dec 2012	#58
The correct historical definitions:	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#4
As a liberal that ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#9
Not me. I wear Liberalism like a badge of honor.	JaneyVee	Dec 2012	#11
As do I. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#30
When the ancient	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#28
Let me chew on that ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#31
One of the most	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#36
Funny, you mention Dr. King's "transformation" into a "real" threat ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#50
Jesse's runs -- and	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#53
I comletely agree ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#57
You were right.	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#64
Jesse Jackson's key phrase ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#70
I was pleased to stumble across this subthread	PETRUS	Dec 2012	#65
I've never thought of liberal philosophy as far as how it relates to governing this country.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#12
Interesting.	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#68
Of course I connect them with politics.	UnrepentantLiberal	Jan 2013	#71
Amazing, you offer the actual definition, and instantly folks come to say 'I don't like the real one	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2012	#20
I wasn't questioning the definition,	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#25
I actually was not referring to you, so I guess your leap is also amazing.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2012	#37
Then it was ME who jumped to conclusions.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#45
Thus, the question becomes:	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#29
Very astute ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#34
Republicans benefit from that confusion.	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2012	#39
Yep, definitely.	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#67
The nature of	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#66
That's simply incorrect. Downthread, someone has the historical definition of "liberal":	Romulox	Dec 2012	#41
A wonderful example	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#48
LOL. You used a term incorrectly, and then proceeded to lecture others ad nauseum.	Romulox	Dec 2012	#55
Yes. My mistake	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#56
A "laissez-faire economic policy" is the economics of the hard right, for a start.	Romulox	Dec 2012	#60
If we were to	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#63
What's the difference, then, between a "Progressive" and a "Revolutionary"? Not	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2012	#42
In the context	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#44
Always an interesting discussion topic. Some dictionary definitions -	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2012	#5
None except..	kentuck	Dec 2012	#6
This is my impression as well....	hlthe2b	Dec 2012	#10
in the spirit nraleighliberal	xchrom	Dec 2012	#7
The definition of liberal is quite different in England.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#14
.	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2012	#21
...	xchrom	Dec 2012	#24
All Progressives are also Liberal but not all Liberals are also Progressive.	JaneyVee	Dec 2012	#8
"Progressive" has not yet been fully demonized?	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#13
Believe me they're working on it	Freddie	Dec 2012	#16
^This^	Bad_Ronald	Dec 2012	#23
Not me.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#26
Liberal is a noun and progressive is a verb	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	#17
"progressive" emphasizes the notion that progress can and should be made	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#18
I've noted that Thom Hartmann seems to use the term "progressive" more often. n/t	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2012	#22
Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern. nt.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2012	#27
Liberals know the direction we need to move	randr	Dec 2012	#33
17, 18, & 33 work for me.	Gidney N Cloyd	Dec 2012	#35
Both terms are meaningless.	mmonk	Dec 2012	#38
Originally, "progressives" were Republicans and northern Democrats around 1900	Recursion	Dec 2012	#40
Do we not like Daily Kos here?	timesamillion	Dec 2012	#43
That was posted in 2008. Too late to comment, I'm afraid. ;-)	leveymg	Dec 2012	#54
Corporatists are busy with propaganda to try	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#46
There are some good points made upthread.	LWolf	Dec 2012	#47
Speaking of twisting the meaning of words for political purposes...	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#49
I don't think there is much difference in terms of philosophy...	Kalidurga	Dec 2012	#51
Liberal simply means progressive & isn't specific. In Europe, Neo-Liberal means unregulated markets.	KittyWampus	Dec 2012	#59
"Neo-liberal" means the same thing in the United States. That's because it's very close to	Romulox	Dec 2012	#61
History has clouded what liberalism actually is	JReed	Dec 2012	#62

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