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Ikonoklast

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141. The victorious Allied Powers that imposed the Treaty of Versailles on a vanquished Germany.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:41 PM
Dec 2012

That treaty all but insured another European war within a generation.

Patriotism is for fools! [View all] L0oniX Dec 2012 OP
A real "patriot" flies the United Nations flag BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #1
I am sick of flags and coats of arms Taverner Dec 2012 #22
The UN exists as an alternative to war AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #72
I have no problem with the UN Taverner Dec 2012 #127
Absolutely. Taverner Dec 2012 #2
I LOVE the "Trash this Thread" button. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #3
I know, what a list of whiny purists whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #7
... L0oniX Dec 2012 #33
so which one represents you? hobbit709 Dec 2012 #42
Oh snap! Aren't you a smart one. pffft L0oniX Dec 2012 #44
I didn't miss it when I graduated in 1968 and I don't miss it now. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #47
Since you don't wish to reasonable discuss anything here why don't you go trash this thread too. L0oniX Dec 2012 #61
I have never trashed a thread hobbit709 Dec 2012 #86
There is one missing - RC Dec 2012 #70
+1 ...and love Jimmy C. L0oniX Dec 2012 #75
I've never been stirred by patriotism cali Dec 2012 #4
You forgot Emma Goldman--"Patriotism is a menace to liberty." Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #5
Adding. Thanks. L0oniX Dec 2012 #31
An eternal truth rejected by many DUers thanks to whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #6
What is the eternal truth? fadedrose Dec 2012 #8
I totally agree with this poster - But I would not post this myself Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #9
Exactly - I did it and the consequences are rough Taverner Dec 2012 #20
I love the military grunt psych that is being used to argue any point. L0oniX Dec 2012 #43
I can relate to that one--I fell for it completely. MindPilot Dec 2012 #62
Hmm tama Dec 2012 #87
Nice. L0oniX Dec 2012 #91
Bookmarking. nt truebluegreen Dec 2012 #10
God Bless America. ileus Dec 2012 #11
Are you proud of our involvement in: Taverner Dec 2012 #16
Pride precedes the downfall. L0oniX Dec 2012 #30
Don't forget Laos gasser85 Dec 2012 #51
Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia Taverner Dec 2012 #124
Each and every one of those was necessary to preserve freedom Hugabear Dec 2012 #64
LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #68
LOL Taverner Dec 2012 #123
Amen, brother! +1 OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #58
I'm with you. Saying you are patriotic does not necessarily mean espousing, "my country right or Squinch Dec 2012 #135
K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #12
Which is why American Corporations made China rich and claim to be above U.S. laws AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #13
When people say "America is Number 1" I always ask "Number 1 at what?" Taverner Dec 2012 #18
That Movie and That particular Segment LarryNM Dec 2012 #26
Unrec Crabby Appleton Dec 2012 #14
With you there, brother. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #19
+100 billh58 Dec 2012 #56
As do I. great white snark Dec 2012 #108
What you describe is nationalism, not patriotism AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #15
The are one and the same Taverner Dec 2012 #17
No they aren't AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #24
Nationalism is not always militant Taverner Dec 2012 #27
To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. – George Santayana L0oniX Dec 2012 #38
What about culture? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #63
None of that is specifically "American" Taverner Dec 2012 #122
It doesn't have to be exclusively American AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #139
Yes, I know that all too well Taverner Dec 2012 #140
^---------------- What he said Taverner Dec 2012 #119
Nationalism imposes, patriotism is passive AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #49
"a nationalist cannot tolerate any criticism and considers it an insult" ...and you can see that... L0oniX Dec 2012 #132
The problem is that rethugs would say that their "values and beliefs" are valid BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #28
You can be patriotic without being nationalistic AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #50
Let me try to explain it again. BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #73
I wish I could rec this... Taverner Dec 2012 #128
+1000000000 This deserves to have its own op. L0oniX Dec 2012 #134
Agree 100%. Nationalism gets you the Third Reich. Those who fought for the US against.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #69
Interesting Hermann Goering quote... L0oniX Dec 2012 #77
Just curious, but who do you believe started WWII? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #98
The victorious Allied Powers that imposed the Treaty of Versailles on a vanquished Germany. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #141
Ohhhh, we're going to play that game are we?.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #142
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2012 #21
Why do you hate 'Merica? OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #23
ah some true colors of a liberal here pasto76 Dec 2012 #25
Military grunt psych. L0oniX Dec 2012 #29
Military grunts know--and do--some pretty amazing things pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #32
Operators of just another death machine. L0oniX Dec 2012 #34
In my time, others with AK-47 death machines were trying to kill me pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #67
...and now our country is friends with them. L0oniX Dec 2012 #71
As am I pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #89
Yeah, that argument always gets trotted out. JoeyT Dec 2012 #53
We'd all be speaking Vietnamese right now Nevernose Dec 2012 #117
Then I guess you are calling the Founding Fathers fools. Rex Dec 2012 #35
You can argue with every one of those quotes from fools. L0oniX Dec 2012 #36
No I will stick with the Founding Fathers and their patriotism Rex Dec 2012 #37
Got any quotes from them that you are sticking with? L0oniX Dec 2012 #39
No thanks I don't need a blurb from somebody else Rex Dec 2012 #41
So you got nothing ...as I thought. L0oniX Dec 2012 #45
Thought? Rex Dec 2012 #46
I have reasons for what I believe ...unlike some people. L0oniX Dec 2012 #59
As I thought...you have nothing. (bleh) Rex Dec 2012 #78
LMAO ...you sitill have nothing but return with what is IMO a childish attack. L0oniX Dec 2012 #88
Because you got caught shit stirring and cannot admit to it. Rex Dec 2012 #131
Adopt a New Years revolution! WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2012 #40
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" -Oscar Wilde davidn3600 Dec 2012 #48
Maybe this is what LOoniX has in mind: Brigid Dec 2012 #52
My Dad, a labor leader in his own right, used to talk about patriotism & criticism at the patrice Dec 2012 #54
But! As religion...useful! cbrer Dec 2012 #55
That's called American Exceptionalism & it implemented, through Evangelicals mostly, the war on Iraq patrice Dec 2012 #57
Ah, "American exceptionalism" Brigid Dec 2012 #66
IMO "American exceptionalism" is just another form of racism. L0oniX Dec 2012 #74
And a religious crock at that & I'm not necessarily against religion that is honest about what it is patrice Dec 2012 #80
Feel free to leave. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #60
Love it or get out but don't try to change it. I get your message. L0oniX Dec 2012 #65
There's where you're wrong. Brigid Dec 2012 #76
If only the majority of the US people thought this way. n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #82
Maybe you should take a look at the greatest empires throughout history.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #85
You mean . . . Brigid Dec 2012 #105
You mean the Han Dynasty, the Mongols, the Romans, the Ottomans,.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #115
We're headed down the same path. Brigid Dec 2012 #121
What's the real point of your post? Is your intent to be as divisive as possible and piss off.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #79
Standard operating procedure for the thread starter imo. Rex Dec 2012 #81
LMAO "Gets mad" L0oniX Dec 2012 #94
Just pointing out that you didn't actually read what you posted. Rex Dec 2012 #95
I've had that list for years. You are not here to discuss anything. L0oniX Dec 2012 #101
Ah projection... Rex Dec 2012 #107
Your objective is obvious. IMO you are unable to have a decent discussion over the topic. L0oniX Dec 2012 #111
This from the guy that started the thread with 'patriotism is for fools!' Rex Dec 2012 #125
Hmmm 44 recs L0oniX Dec 2012 #129
44 people like your quotes! Rex Dec 2012 #130
You might as well ask why those quotes exist in the first place. L0oniX Dec 2012 #92
Let's see how Merriam-Webster defines Nationalism and Patriotism.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #109
Umm, you do realize that both of your definitions use the phrase, Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #118
It's a major f'ing hair. If you can't see that, then there's nothing else to say. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #137
It could be the intent atreides1 Dec 2012 #93
'ultra-liberal progressives' Rex Dec 2012 #96
Guard against the impostures of PRETENDED patriotism. – George Washington Hekate Dec 2012 #83
Don't start, that would require the thread starter Rex Dec 2012 #84
Oh yeah Hekate Dec 2012 #97
Well you know how Jefferson and Washington HATED Rex Dec 2012 #100
"Your two final quotations" are not mine but I do like them. L0oniX Dec 2012 #99
'Scuse? They're in your OP. Last two lines of your OP. Hekate Dec 2012 #102
Proof that the purpose was to agitate the feces container instead of a discussion. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #103
Yes BUT those two are different you see Rex Dec 2012 #104
They are not "my" quotes but quotes from the sources. Was there something you wanted to discuss.. L0oniX Dec 2012 #110
OH!? Then why did you start a thread with 'patriotism is for fools!' Rex Dec 2012 #112
IMO all you have done is stir shit. If you even read the quotes you would see the same... L0oniX Dec 2012 #113
You are right, I am only responding to insult (by you). Rex Dec 2012 #120
You're the person who started this crap with an insulting post. Deal with it. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #138
Here's my question tama Dec 2012 #90
IMO ...most children will see the hypocrisy eventually. L0oniX Dec 2012 #106
"Patriotism is the McDonalds of human thought" - Me NoOneMan Dec 2012 #114
LMAO ...That's some deep shit. L0oniX Dec 2012 #116
Flags are bits of colored cloth whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #126
That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” – James Russell Lowell burrowowl Dec 2012 #133
Well yea but then there is this one... L0oniX Dec 2012 #136
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