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Brigid

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121. We're headed down the same path.

Reply to OldDem2012 (Reply #115)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:10 PM

Dec 2012

Some just refuse to see it. I have no faith in a people who can't even deal with a Black Friday sale anymore. When we start dealing with problems like poverty, health care, environmental degradation, gun control, and education in realistic ways, maybe then I'll change my mind. But not until.

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Patriotism is for fools! [View all] L0oniX Dec 2012 OP

A real "patriot" flies the United Nations flag BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #1

I am sick of flags and coats of arms Taverner Dec 2012 #22

The UN exists as an alternative to war AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #72

I have no problem with the UN Taverner Dec 2012 #127

Absolutely. Taverner Dec 2012 #2

I LOVE the "Trash this Thread" button. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #3

I know, what a list of whiny purists whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #7

... L0oniX Dec 2012 #33

so which one represents you? hobbit709 Dec 2012 #42

Oh snap! Aren't you a smart one. pffft L0oniX Dec 2012 #44

I didn't miss it when I graduated in 1968 and I don't miss it now. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #47

Since you don't wish to reasonable discuss anything here why don't you go trash this thread too. L0oniX Dec 2012 #61

I have never trashed a thread hobbit709 Dec 2012 #86

There is one missing - RC Dec 2012 #70

+1 ...and love Jimmy C. L0oniX Dec 2012 #75

I've never been stirred by patriotism cali Dec 2012 #4

You forgot Emma Goldman--"Patriotism is a menace to liberty." Puregonzo1188 Dec 2012 #5

Adding. Thanks. L0oniX Dec 2012 #31

An eternal truth rejected by many DUers thanks to whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #6

What is the eternal truth? fadedrose Dec 2012 #8

I totally agree with this poster - But I would not post this myself Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #9

Exactly - I did it and the consequences are rough Taverner Dec 2012 #20

I love the military grunt psych that is being used to argue any point. L0oniX Dec 2012 #43

I can relate to that one--I fell for it completely. MindPilot Dec 2012 #62

Hmm tama Dec 2012 #87

Nice. L0oniX Dec 2012 #91

Bookmarking. nt truebluegreen Dec 2012 #10

God Bless America. ileus Dec 2012 #11

Are you proud of our involvement in: Taverner Dec 2012 #16

Pride precedes the downfall. L0oniX Dec 2012 #30

Don't forget Laos gasser85 Dec 2012 #51

Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia Taverner Dec 2012 #124

Each and every one of those was necessary to preserve freedom Hugabear Dec 2012 #64

LMAO n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #68

LOL Taverner Dec 2012 #123

Amen, brother! +1 OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #58

I'm with you. Saying you are patriotic does not necessarily mean espousing, "my country right or Squinch Dec 2012 #135

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #12

Which is why American Corporations made China rich and claim to be above U.S. laws AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #13

When people say "America is Number 1" I always ask "Number 1 at what?" Taverner Dec 2012 #18

That Movie and That particular Segment LarryNM Dec 2012 #26

Unrec Crabby Appleton Dec 2012 #14

With you there, brother. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #19

+100 billh58 Dec 2012 #56

As do I. great white snark Dec 2012 #108

What you describe is nationalism, not patriotism AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #15

The are one and the same Taverner Dec 2012 #17

No they aren't AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #24

Nationalism is not always militant Taverner Dec 2012 #27

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. – George Santayana L0oniX Dec 2012 #38

What about culture? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #63

None of that is specifically "American" Taverner Dec 2012 #122

It doesn't have to be exclusively American AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #139

Yes, I know that all too well Taverner Dec 2012 #140

^---------------- What he said Taverner Dec 2012 #119

Nationalism imposes, patriotism is passive AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #49

"a nationalist cannot tolerate any criticism and considers it an insult" ...and you can see that... L0oniX Dec 2012 #132

The problem is that rethugs would say that their "values and beliefs" are valid BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #28

You can be patriotic without being nationalistic AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #50

Let me try to explain it again. BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #73

I wish I could rec this... Taverner Dec 2012 #128

+1000000000 This deserves to have its own op. L0oniX Dec 2012 #134

Agree 100%. Nationalism gets you the Third Reich. Those who fought for the US against.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #69

Interesting Hermann Goering quote... L0oniX Dec 2012 #77

Just curious, but who do you believe started WWII? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #98

The victorious Allied Powers that imposed the Treaty of Versailles on a vanquished Germany. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #141

Ohhhh, we're going to play that game are we?.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #142

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2012 #21

Why do you hate 'Merica? OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #23

ah some true colors of a liberal here pasto76 Dec 2012 #25

Military grunt psych. L0oniX Dec 2012 #29

Military grunts know--and do--some pretty amazing things pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #32

Operators of just another death machine. L0oniX Dec 2012 #34

In my time, others with AK-47 death machines were trying to kill me pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #67

...and now our country is friends with them. L0oniX Dec 2012 #71

As am I pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #89

Yeah, that argument always gets trotted out. JoeyT Dec 2012 #53

We'd all be speaking Vietnamese right now Nevernose Dec 2012 #117

Then I guess you are calling the Founding Fathers fools. Rex Dec 2012 #35

You can argue with every one of those quotes from fools. L0oniX Dec 2012 #36

No I will stick with the Founding Fathers and their patriotism Rex Dec 2012 #37

Got any quotes from them that you are sticking with? L0oniX Dec 2012 #39

No thanks I don't need a blurb from somebody else Rex Dec 2012 #41

So you got nothing ...as I thought. L0oniX Dec 2012 #45

Thought? Rex Dec 2012 #46

I have reasons for what I believe ...unlike some people. L0oniX Dec 2012 #59

As I thought...you have nothing. (bleh) Rex Dec 2012 #78

LMAO ...you sitill have nothing but return with what is IMO a childish attack. L0oniX Dec 2012 #88

Because you got caught shit stirring and cannot admit to it. Rex Dec 2012 #131

Adopt a New Years revolution! WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2012 #40

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" -Oscar Wilde davidn3600 Dec 2012 #48

Maybe this is what LOoniX has in mind: Brigid Dec 2012 #52

My Dad, a labor leader in his own right, used to talk about patriotism & criticism at the patrice Dec 2012 #54

But! As religion...useful! cbrer Dec 2012 #55

That's called American Exceptionalism & it implemented, through Evangelicals mostly, the war on Iraq patrice Dec 2012 #57

Ah, "American exceptionalism" Brigid Dec 2012 #66

IMO "American exceptionalism" is just another form of racism. L0oniX Dec 2012 #74

And a religious crock at that & I'm not necessarily against religion that is honest about what it is patrice Dec 2012 #80

Feel free to leave. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #60

Love it or get out but don't try to change it. I get your message. L0oniX Dec 2012 #65

There's where you're wrong. Brigid Dec 2012 #76

If only the majority of the US people thought this way. n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #82

Maybe you should take a look at the greatest empires throughout history.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #85

You mean . . . Brigid Dec 2012 #105

You mean the Han Dynasty, the Mongols, the Romans, the Ottomans,.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #115

We're headed down the same path. Brigid Dec 2012 #121

What's the real point of your post? Is your intent to be as divisive as possible and piss off.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #79

Standard operating procedure for the thread starter imo. Rex Dec 2012 #81

LMAO "Gets mad" L0oniX Dec 2012 #94

Just pointing out that you didn't actually read what you posted. Rex Dec 2012 #95

I've had that list for years. You are not here to discuss anything. L0oniX Dec 2012 #101

Ah projection... Rex Dec 2012 #107

Your objective is obvious. IMO you are unable to have a decent discussion over the topic. L0oniX Dec 2012 #111

This from the guy that started the thread with 'patriotism is for fools!' Rex Dec 2012 #125

Hmmm 44 recs L0oniX Dec 2012 #129

44 people like your quotes! Rex Dec 2012 #130

You might as well ask why those quotes exist in the first place. L0oniX Dec 2012 #92

Let's see how Merriam-Webster defines Nationalism and Patriotism.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #109

Umm, you do realize that both of your definitions use the phrase, Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #118

It's a major f'ing hair. If you can't see that, then there's nothing else to say. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #137

It could be the intent atreides1 Dec 2012 #93

'ultra-liberal progressives' Rex Dec 2012 #96

Guard against the impostures of PRETENDED patriotism. – George Washington Hekate Dec 2012 #83

Don't start, that would require the thread starter Rex Dec 2012 #84

Oh yeah Hekate Dec 2012 #97

Well you know how Jefferson and Washington HATED Rex Dec 2012 #100

"Your two final quotations" are not mine but I do like them. L0oniX Dec 2012 #99

'Scuse? They're in your OP. Last two lines of your OP. Hekate Dec 2012 #102

Proof that the purpose was to agitate the feces container instead of a discussion. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #103

Yes BUT those two are different you see Rex Dec 2012 #104

They are not "my" quotes but quotes from the sources. Was there something you wanted to discuss.. L0oniX Dec 2012 #110

OH!? Then why did you start a thread with 'patriotism is for fools!' Rex Dec 2012 #112

IMO all you have done is stir shit. If you even read the quotes you would see the same... L0oniX Dec 2012 #113

You are right, I am only responding to insult (by you). Rex Dec 2012 #120

You're the person who started this crap with an insulting post. Deal with it. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #138

Here's my question tama Dec 2012 #90

IMO ...most children will see the hypocrisy eventually. L0oniX Dec 2012 #106

"Patriotism is the McDonalds of human thought" - Me NoOneMan Dec 2012 #114

LMAO ...That's some deep shit. L0oniX Dec 2012 #116

Flags are bits of colored cloth whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #126

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” – James Russell Lowell burrowowl Dec 2012 #133

Well yea but then there is this one... L0oniX Dec 2012 #136