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DissidentVoice

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81. OK, then, from the point of view of a former ANG Airman
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:55 AM
Dec 2012

First off, I wore stripes. I did not wear brass. What I did in other services could have qualified me to hold Warrant Officer grade, but the Air Force doesn't have WO's.

I was no hero. I did not see combat. I showed up, did what I was told and got a piece of paper with the words "Honorable Discharge" on it.

I worked in C3I - Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence. I was in a unit that was primarily NORAD-dedicated, working in partnership with the Royal Canadian Air Force to defend North America. Although NORAD units were not immune from overseas deployment, our primary focus was defending the North American continent. That was part of the appeal for me - defending State, Nation and helping our Canadian partners. I certainly didn't want to see Tupolev-95's in our skies.

Yes, when you get to Basic Training, you get a lot of Basic Bullshit from the Military Training Instructors (AF version of drill sergeants). Some of them are actually instructor/mentor types and some of them are just assholes (those words are a direct quote from my recruiter). Mine was mostly an asshole. The process is meant as "shock treatment" to acclimate from a civilian to a military mindset, but there are those who throughout the whole process are able to discern the useful knowledge (teamwork) from the bullshit (becoming a "killing machine&quot . Others don't. The ultra gung-ho types I usually kept my distance from. Officers...you salute the rank, not necessarily the person wearing it.

The vast, vast majority of enlisted/NCO/officers I knew treated it as a job we had to do. Alright, the fighter pilots in my Wing were like fighter pilots everywhere (How do you know you're in a room with a fighter pilot? They'll tell you.) who lived, eat, breathed and shat what they did, even though most of them were airline pilots in their civilian jobs.

Yes, the USSR collapsed under its own overburdened military weight. Afghanistan was the straw that broke the Bear's back. However, I thank God that there was a man like Mikhail Gorbachev who could have the humility to notice this, rather than a Brezhnev or an Andropov who would have used that collapse as an excuse to make a strike against the Western world.

I don't think those who join are under any illusion that it's a job like one on civvy street. You live under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). You can get killed, and you can be called upon to kill another human being. From my point of view, that was a frighteningly sobering possibility. It sure as hell wasn't one to get excited about.

OK, you could say that because I was Guard and served in peacetime that I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe in comparison to the way things are now I don't. However, there are times when a military member can be directly involved in saving a life...maybe YOUR life. What if your fishing boat capsizes in the Great Lakes? The Coast Guard will do whatever is humanly possible to save you (yes, the USCG is a military service). Tornado, flood? The National Guard (usually the Army Guard) is at the disposal of a state Governor for humanitarian relief. However, the Bush years took a hell of a toll on the Guard/Reserve forces.

Several services have civilian, volunteer, unpaid noncombat auxiliaries to assist with the humanitarian work. The USCG has the Coast Guard Auxiliary. The Air Force has the Civil Air Patrol. I have been a member of both and there are a lot of dedicated volunteers in those auxiliaries.

I don't worship the military, nor do I want to be worshipped because I was in the military. I don't think most military people do.

FWIW.

As soon as it begins Coyotl Dec 2012 #1
+1 CrispyQ Dec 2012 #37
+1 Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #41
+1 snot Dec 2012 #63
My First and Immediate Thought As Well ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #106
Y'All beat me to it. Everyone should read the book ... panzerfaust Dec 2012 #112
Nailed it. nt LWolf Dec 2012 #131
In began in 1947. former9thward Dec 2012 #2
Yup. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #62
I remember seeing on facebook a billboard equating American soldiers to Jesus. I hid it in seconds. libinnyandia Dec 2012 #3
Gott Mitt Uns Taverner Dec 2012 #45
Yes: On the belt-buckle of the Wehrmacht panzerfaust Dec 2012 #116
Thanks for sharing!!! cliffordu Dec 2012 #160
Not every German uniform DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #157
If you quote Butler... Bigmack Dec 2012 #4
I like that , it took some guts to state that,.. anyway we have to find a way to cut SS. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #46
At what point does it become military worship? Confusious Dec 2012 #5
Calling someone a "hero" just because they wore a uniform is worship Taverner Dec 2012 #6
Is expecting people to be respectful in a cemetery worship? Confusious Dec 2012 #9
No but arresting someone for not doing it is Taverner Dec 2012 #10
Who was arrested? Confusious Dec 2012 #11
I think he is referring to the women who flipped off the guards at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. white_wolf Dec 2012 #17
No she wasn't arrested Confusious Dec 2012 #19
I know she didn't get arrested, but it was discussed here Taverner Dec 2012 #22
It is her right, but it was in very poor taste Confusious Dec 2012 #27
Daniel was too a hero! DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #132
That annoys me. white_wolf Dec 2012 #12
Exactly , they are just like the rest of us. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #48
I never got that whole "served" thing NoOneMan Dec 2012 #77
It's not free DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #83
If you are in the Guard, you only put in one weekend a month blueamy66 Dec 2012 #123
Not exactly... DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #156
Like the other fellow said, you can die "on the job" Confusious Dec 2012 #84
You can die on any job NoOneMan Dec 2012 #86
But those jobs don't involve someone shooting at you. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #103
How about cops and firemen? blueamy66 Dec 2012 #124
But they can quit their jobs. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #129
With all contractual forms of employment, there are consequences for breaking an agreement NoOneMan Dec 2012 #139
Then the recruit should not have signed the enlistment papers. blueamy66 Dec 2012 #142
Easy to say when you're not in the situation. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #143
I respect the military....but I don't worship them. blueamy66 Dec 2012 #145
"it was the only economic future out of poverty" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #148
Cops and firemen DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #159
Military service, even in peacetime, involves sacrifice pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #87
Every job requires some level of sacrifice NoOneMan Dec 2012 #88
You're right. You are missing something here. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #89
Its probably something super secret that only club members experience NoOneMan Dec 2012 #90
"Ego stroking"? pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #93
Oh my freakin' God.... diphthong Dec 2012 #97
Logically speaking, he has a valid point. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #104
No, it's not a valid comparison at all pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #105
Absolute Truth panzerfaust Dec 2012 #119
Semper Fi, brother pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #122
You simply restated the criterion of harm in a more severe form. nt Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #130
Fishermen experience a mortality rate of ~120 per 100,000 NoOneMan Dec 2012 #136
That distinguishing criterion seems to be cultural NoOneMan Dec 2012 #135
Unfortunately so Taverner Dec 2012 #141
That may just be the single most despicable fucking post I've ever read at DU. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #146
The illustrated visceral reaction to those who don't consider it "service" worthy of unique respect NoOneMan Dec 2012 #147
I don't consider anyone's service worthy of unique respect. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #153
But you still consider this employment "service" apparently NoOneMan Dec 2012 #154
K&R NT DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #162
Absolute Bullshit: Serving in the military is not the same as serving at Denny's panzerfaust Dec 2012 #117
Welcome home, brother pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #128
Serving at McDonalds is not the same as serving at Denny's NoOneMan Dec 2012 #137
Gratitude and respect are not the same as worship. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #7
They are not fighting for us Taverner Dec 2012 #8
Again, you can disagree with every military engagement they participate in-- TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #14
My respect goes to the Non-Combatiants bahrbearian Dec 2012 #49
The revolution, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea Confusious Dec 2012 #15
Yes Taverner Dec 2012 #20
It had nothing to with our freedom, but our actions Confusious Dec 2012 #23
Yes, otherwise it would have been a "dick move" Taverner Dec 2012 #26
Gotta question for ya: cliffordu Dec 2012 #30
I never killed anyone for anything, if that's what you're asking Taverner Dec 2012 #36
Your obsessive hatred of all things military and cliffordu Dec 2012 #57
Look - you can't compare today's military with the one you were in Taverner Dec 2012 #59
Let me spell it out for you Taverner Dec 2012 #60
Policy generates the machine. cliffordu Dec 2012 #64
Don't smear me with it either (NT) DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #158
Are you talking of the Argentinian General Staff? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #67
Dear Nadin... Taverner Dec 2012 #79
Once again, the people who make nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #80
+1 cliffordu malz Dec 2012 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #78
That isn't the soldiers fault lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #133
they aren't fighting for "us" or our "freedoms" datasuspect Dec 2012 #29
For me, it's the WILLINGNESS to serve that's more meaningful than the TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #38
"Those folks who volunteer keep my own kids from being drafted." datasuspect Dec 2012 #40
Sure it's selfish. That's why I'm grateful. I don't want my sons TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #72
gratitude and respect for doing the job they are paid to do? bowens43 Dec 2012 #69
You can quit any other job when it gets shitty--you can walk out that day. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #73
So what? 99Forever Dec 2012 #111
+100 blueamy66 Dec 2012 #126
Yes. Nurses, teachers, firefighters all can quit if they don't like it. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #134
+1. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #115
The all volunteer army reteachinwi Dec 2012 #13
not just the SS datasuspect Dec 2012 #16
I've seen it and yes...you are right Taverner Dec 2012 #18
you know there is a church you can join arely staircase Dec 2012 #21
OK now THIS is military worship, ladies and gentlemen Taverner Dec 2012 #25
Yep. I can't decide whether it is pathetic or frightening. white_wolf Dec 2012 #35
it is both arely staircase Dec 2012 #61
No one ever said anything about hating. white_wolf Dec 2012 #82
no, i consider people who post long op after long op arely staircase Dec 2012 #107
It's all about word count then...gotchya Taverner Dec 2012 #140
You never had much of a case to begin with Major Nikon Dec 2012 #66
thank you arely staircase Dec 2012 #108
nice circular argument arely staircase Dec 2012 #109
the vietnam vets in my family datasuspect Dec 2012 #24
I have a lot more respect for firefighters than I do cops. white_wolf Dec 2012 #28
i can respect anyone who deserves respect datasuspect Dec 2012 #31
Exactly - Respect is EARNED not given Taverner Dec 2012 #44
This was on our table at the diner this morning... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #32
Reichsketchup datasuspect Dec 2012 #33
Cool word coinage N/T catnhatnh Dec 2012 #34
I was at a Minnesota Twins game on the 4th of July in 2011 dflprincess Dec 2012 #58
Yes, a tagline on ketchup is *JUST LIKE* Nazi Germany Recursion Dec 2012 #99
About 2002 libodem Dec 2012 #39
You're a bit late out of the gate with this....you do know the military is at the start of a HUGE MADem Dec 2012 #42
Unless every overseas base is closed, it's never too late Taverner Dec 2012 #43
They'll never close all the lily pads, but they're downsizing a lot of them. MADem Dec 2012 #51
Draw Down ?? is that why the Defense Budget is goin UP ? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #50
Talk to the toys lobbyists. It's not personnel costs that are contributing to any increase. nt MADem Dec 2012 #52
Oh ,Ok it's the lobbyist fault not our elected Representatives. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #53
You can talk to them, too if you'd like. nt MADem Dec 2012 #76
Is there some way I can contact this Lobbyist ? Or will someone respond to our Polls. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #55
GE, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc--none of them are these "evil" folks in uniforms. MADem Dec 2012 #75
Nice dodge , I work for 2 of them, should I also promote them or bahrbearian Dec 2012 #85
Not a dodge at all, simply a familiarity with the appropriations process. MADem Dec 2012 #101
At about the same point that hatred for the military beomes stupidity. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #47
I'm ag'in' worship period, but then I think respect & worship are mutually exclusive, 'cause you patrice Dec 2012 #54
When you call someone unpatriotic obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #56
as soon as society believes that military personal are more important bowens43 Dec 2012 #65
Probably about as soon as you have a standing army and definately when you have TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #68
when you only listen to the four star generals WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #70
What point?... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #71
I don't know - here - it seems.... Zax2me Dec 2012 #74
OK, then, from the point of view of a former ANG Airman DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #81
I wore brass, served in combat, and was wounded pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #91
unmarried marriage counselors DustyJoe Dec 2012 #118
As I posted in another thread, I hold my head high pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #125
You as well, Sir DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #155
Nazi Germany. Rex Dec 2012 #92
On what is the premise of 'miitary worship' based? nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #94
Ya kinda would like to see some links Rex Dec 2012 #95
Yeah, the OP is pretty much BS without support pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #96
As happens every time this comes up, the conversation is immediately turned away from Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #98
I don't think "the military" per se is really respected at all Recursion Dec 2012 #100
Around 1933 Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #102
At the point where retired military officers in these Florida communities begin Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #110
The Vietnam war gave the military a huge black eye lunatica Dec 2012 #113
Patriotism is for fools! L0oniX Dec 2012 #149
Exactly. Taverner Dec 2012 #152
The "troops" and supporting them is not the problem. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #114
It becomes REALLY dangerous when we have WARS to try out all our newly invented weapons. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #121
I think Andorra has it about right. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #127
+100000000000000000000000000000 Taverner Dec 2012 #151
When it becomes institutionalized or profitable. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #138
The moment when "just following orders" becomes an acceptable excuse for violence. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #144
That would be now then.... Taverner Dec 2012 #150
See what happens? Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #161
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