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In reply to the discussion: Serious questions for those who are convinced that Obama, Clinton, and Gore are not liberals. [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)121. I don't think we agree on the terms we're using here, so it's hard to agree on your conclusions
Yes, they are all varieties of "liberals" as that term is used loosely in the U.S. All have held positions that were considered progressive at the time, but none are progressives on most issues. Liberals -- some being quite conservative -- differ from progressives, and the two groups are not always allies. I am more of a progressive but am in some ways a liberal.
One can negotiate, but should avoid compromise of principles.
The "Teas" (the GOP Right) have been highly effective at obstructing most liberal and progressive legislation -- and often work with Center-Right Democrats to block progressive reform -- and have been for a long time.
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Serious questions for those who are convinced that Obama, Clinton, and Gore are not liberals. [View all]
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
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Elizabeth Warren said EVERYTHING is on the table regarding Iran.oops there goes another
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#166
Do you really think anyone perceives your questions as anything other than rhetorical? eom
tledford
Dec 2012
#192
Oh, I understand what "rhetorical" means and every single response you've made in this thread...
tledford
Dec 2012
#199
Conservatism is fed by ignorance. The more one is educated, the more one rejects conservatism.
Scuba
Dec 2012
#26
actually, people with less education are more likely to vote democrat. college-educated =
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#232
in the last election, people with less education were more likely to vote democratic.
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#254
A lot of people, me included, didnt realize NAFTA would do what it did. Those people were mistaken
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#260
by the responses you are giving to people's answers and the attitude in which you are giving them
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2012
#170
LOL! Despite several efforts to derail this conversation, the conversation is happening.
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#45
I can practically see you sitting on the edge of your seat, getting more and more frustrated as
Marr
Dec 2012
#157
I did! My favorite part was where someone thanked you for admitting that Clinton and Gore
Marr
Dec 2012
#171
How does electablity of true liberals in any way support the position that Obama, Clinton
tavalon
Dec 2012
#210
"Considering that only a small fraction of the population is liberal..." equals "fail".
Scuba
Dec 2012
#30
If Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Obama are NOT liberals, then very few Americans ...
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#49
Compromising does NOT mean proposing only what you imagine your opponent will accept
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#35
You didn't "jump the fence". You stayed where you were while the TeaParty went further right.
Scuba
Dec 2012
#58
Yes, as a Minnesotan, I can attest to his being popular among at least two groups of people
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#37
Your comparing liberals with the Tea Party is too offensive to bother answering your "questions."
forestpath
Dec 2012
#33
Depends. That list includes conservative neoliberals, liberal neoliberals, liberal neoconservatives
leveymg
Dec 2012
#60
I don't think we agree on the terms we're using here, so it's hard to agree on your conclusions
leveymg
Dec 2012
#121
1: Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders (at the Senatorial level). 2: Elizabeth
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#66
3. Clearly I have no idea what a liberal is because I think Gore, Clinton, and Obama are liberals.
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#74
You can use the 'liberal' label all you want, but if you fail to define your terms you're
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#93
OK, I just wanted to be clear. You consider Clinton a 'progressive'. You are
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#176
If 1/3 of this thread agree with you that Clinton was a 'progressive,' then that provides
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#185
Why do you suppose that the right despises Clinton in spite of his conservative views?
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#76
It does not matter. I form my own opinions independent of the entrenched right or left.
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#115
Neoliberals = liberals, social democrats = liberals, but neoliberals =/= socials democrats.
PETRUS
Dec 2012
#95
"Don't be silly. The purist left could never organize the way the Tea Party has."
Puzzledtraveller
Dec 2012
#114
as for your "loaded" questions, #2 - few thought obama was electable til he ran nt
msongs
Dec 2012
#113
Agreed. Those of us who worked our asses off for Obama were pleasantly surprised.
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#117
I stopped at Sanders and Warren so as not to make a long list. There are some
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#119
Feingold might just be the strongest of all the possibilities, although he
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#174
So, the wide majority of teabaggers are highly intelligent informed voters?
AgingAmerican
Dec 2012
#249
I'd pose the above questions to losers like Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, and Rocky Anderson.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#173
When you ask about ISSUES rather than candidates, the Green etc. candidates do well
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#245
I agree. Their biggest mistake is trying to highjack the Democratic Party....
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#258
Protecting the interests of ordinary people over the interests of the Wall Street pirates is
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#214
LOL. Yes, they do. Millennials are more liberal than those who came of age during Ronnie Raygun
RainDog
Dec 2012
#228
In other words, Clinton is the first Dem president you observed closely
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#247
Well, according to the same group that is oh-so-worried about Obama and Clinton...
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#196
Gore was a founding member of the DLC and supported the Contras and Reagan's military buildup
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2012
#215