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musical_soul

(775 posts)
105. So, don't make it a requirement.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:23 AM
Dec 2012

I'm aware of all the grief the NCLB act has brought. I've never seen more educational requirements for a low paying job.

Not everybody is cut out to use or carry a gun. In fact, I'd say that any teacher who said they wanted to carry a gun on campus and couldn't pass a psych evaluation (making sure they weren't paranoid of all the students) shouldn't be allowed to carry one. Their job could stay in place. They just couldn't carry a gun.

However, some people are cut out for it. I'm sure you've heard of "Troops to Teachers." I bet they're cut out for it. It could be a set of volunteers that people didn't know even had the guns.

Consider this idea. The school which Obama's daughters go to have guardsmen. Guess what they have? Guns. Their school is just fine. Those men guarding President Obama? Guess what they have? Guns. I guess that last point is a righty talking about, but it's true. I'll take it back when Obama gives up the armed guards.

well oddoneout Dec 2012 #1
Agreed... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #2
That's true, but what about my daughter? SOL? jillan Dec 2012 #3
your daughter would oddoneout Dec 2012 #11
??? bongbong Dec 2012 #58
But, but, but.... (sputter) MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #69
"Wolverines" is the 3rd reason gun humpers worship guns bongbong Dec 2012 #77
hopefully oddoneout Dec 2012 #132
Hopefully you'll realize that RW NRA propaganda is nothing but lies later on down your life. baldguy Dec 2012 #139
That guy you responded to.... bongbong Dec 2012 #155
rambo syndrome huh oddoneout Dec 2012 #131
A lot of people are trying to sensationalize what you're saying? baldguy Dec 2012 #140
umm oddoneout Dec 2012 #142
Obviously the solution is gunracks rbixby Dec 2012 #121
ok oddoneout Dec 2012 #133
Yeah, and then if the 2nd or 3rd teacher didn't shoot up the "one" intruder, MichiganVote Dec 2012 #5
nice to see oddoneout Dec 2012 #17
At least I have logical, as opposed to, wishful thinking. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #25
what logical thinking oddoneout Dec 2012 #29
Your "wishful thinking" is the typical Rambo-wannabe shit Zoeisright Dec 2012 #41
i never said anything oddoneout Dec 2012 #43
Have you thought about arming the children? zappaman Dec 2012 #44
Lol! MichiganVote Dec 2012 #54
Duck and cover! MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #70
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #134
You are most welcome. zappaman Dec 2012 #153
Except.... you are not Rambo and the teacher is not Bruce Willis. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #6
notice i said oddoneout Dec 2012 #21
You didn't watch the video PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #23
ok i get the just of the video. oddoneout Dec 2012 #24
I think the death toll would have been the same. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #27
ok so is your solution oddoneout Dec 2012 #31
No. We need to increase mental health, especially for vets, and decrease availability of firearms. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #35
i was oddoneout Dec 2012 #38
It takes thousands of rounds of serious training in proper training facilities to get proficient PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #55
oddoneout.... gently... Bigmack Dec 2012 #130
what do you oddoneout Dec 2012 #135
How do we fix this? Let's talk about getting rid of the guns. baldguy Dec 2012 #141
ok fine oddoneout Dec 2012 #143
I don't think that policy and safety procedures should be designed ... MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #73
teachers wouldn't be required oddoneout Dec 2012 #136
So who is going to pay for the huge increase in liability insurance the schools will have to carry? MedicalAdmin Jan 2013 #163
Semi automatic weapons with huge magazines in the hands of a trained killer vs. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #26
oh ok oddoneout Dec 2012 #138
That video was really instructive. Chemisse Dec 2012 #57
That video bears no relation to reality. PavePusher Dec 2012 #110
bullshit PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #116
Well I am a teacher, and when I visualize myself trying to protect my students with a gun, Chemisse Dec 2012 #158
That contrived video scenario is entirely fictional. PavePusher Dec 2012 #109
Oh bullshit. The physical effects of crisis are fact. You are not Rambo. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #114
And yet they fail to live down to your expectations so frequently.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #120
Cute. I have a link to support my stance as well. The intenets rule!! PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #122
Think again.... Bigmack Dec 2012 #12
Thank you for your post. I agree! My daughter is such an amazing teacher, but jillan Dec 2012 #22
Do you think teachers are incapable of learning? PavePusher Dec 2012 #111
It takes thousands of rounds of serious training in proper training facilities to get proficient PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #119
No, it doesn't. PavePusher Dec 2012 #124
Yes, it does..... Bigmack Dec 2012 #146
I'm in the military, and I know police. PavePusher Dec 2012 #157
Different branch of the military, I guess.... Bigmack Dec 2012 #159
Teachers are not the ones with the learning disabilities. Members of the NRA are the ones jillan Dec 2012 #126
so you oddoneout Dec 2012 #137
Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory reteachinwi Dec 2012 #30
The MMPI is specifically NOT to be used as you say it is being used. MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #76
Thanks reteachinwi Dec 2012 #83
Thanks for taking it well. MedicalAdmin Jan 2013 #161
Thank you. SheilaT Dec 2012 #52
"Friendly fire..."... Bigmack Dec 2012 #18
Unload on the person entering the classroom? MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #68
what a mouthload of horseshit. spanone Dec 2012 #94
That always seems to work when it's scripted and choreographed Speck Tater Dec 2012 #102
The second, third, fourth teachers would have guns, but bluestate10 Dec 2012 #151
In your scenario the teacher is not armed. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #4
If the staff in the office is armed, that's one thing... but if the gunman hopped the fence in any jillan Dec 2012 #8
Because of course, kids are never in the school office. :eyeroll: MichiganVote Dec 2012 #9
You seem to have misread something. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #71
Uh huh. Work in a school do you? No, didn't think so. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #96
or simply oddoneout Dec 2012 #19
Watching a lot of John Wayne movies over the holiday are ya? MichiganVote Dec 2012 #28
what oddoneout Dec 2012 #33
Please see post #30 reteachinwi Dec 2012 #37
I propose you suggest something or just get lost. You don't seem to belong here. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #40
Ban assault weapons. Ban pistols. Jail the living shit out of violators DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #46
You watch too many movies. 99Forever Dec 2012 #32
Nice to see someone actually thinking it though. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #72
Have you ever shot at a target that is reinforced, moving with lots of innocents bluestate10 Dec 2012 #152
You're right to be skeptical, but on the other hand... aikoaiko Dec 2012 #7
Yeah, sure. Maybe they shoudl just ask Scotty to beam them up. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #10
As is their right to negotiate. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #20
Or perhaps upon hearing the shooter break into the school, the teacher A Simple Game Dec 2012 #82
I'm all for secure doors and windows with a good alarm system aikoaiko Dec 2012 #92
If the guns in the classroom program were instituted, I'd give it a week before some angry Squinch Dec 2012 #13
Or a teacher at the end of his/her rope reteachinwi Dec 2012 #34
Really. The whole idea is just as dumb as could be. We have gone completely crazy. Squinch Dec 2012 #45
Institute guns in the classroom in any sane part of the country & watch attendance drop by DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #14
+10^10 reteachinwi Dec 2012 #36
Bullseye. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #42
I don't think these proposals are calling for the weapon to be locked up. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15
The armed security/police are already in the schools Lurks Often Dec 2012 #16
Classroom doors need to be secured, sort of like airplane cockpit doors. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #39
Chicago has 2000 police/security officers assigned to their schools. former9thward Dec 2012 #47
Are you suggesting that these officers thwart mass shootings regularly in Chicago? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #48
The OP seems to think armed security does not work. former9thward Dec 2012 #49
Mother Jones has PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #50
44 out of 62. Ok, now what is the point of that stat? former9thward Dec 2012 #63
I have yet to see proof that officers in Chicago schools have thwarted a mass shooting. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #64
You see how far you have to go when you back yourself into a corner? former9thward Dec 2012 #66
How can anyone remain neutral when children are being murdered? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #67
So in your mind there are the pro-murder children crowd and those against murdering children. former9thward Dec 2012 #84
I think you may have meant to reply to someone else. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #87
Your post: former9thward Dec 2012 #88
Yes, guns are murder weapons. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #89
Cut the poster some slack. MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #78
What do you think President Obama thinks of the Chicago sitution? former9thward Dec 2012 #85
I really don't know. MedicalAdmin Jan 2013 #162
Perhaps the point was in response to your post. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #79
What did I back away from? former9thward Dec 2012 #86
The later instance is in my post and the former is linked below. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #90
I see a pattern also. former9thward Dec 2012 #91
The first mention of gangs was in post #47, by you. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #93
Nice try at moving the goal posts. former9thward Dec 2012 #95
did not work @ Columbine CO lunasun Dec 2012 #61
I commented on the Chicago sitution. former9thward Dec 2012 #65
Which we finally got under control by ... getting the guns out of school. ieoeja Dec 2012 #75
So are you saying armed cops are no longer needed in Chicago schools? former9thward Dec 2012 #156
You make the typical NRA argument mistake. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #154
Getting guns in the classroom Turbineguy Dec 2012 #51
Bingo!! Yep! Because there is no way having armed teachers is going to save lives. jillan Dec 2012 #59
+100 lunasun Dec 2012 #60
and if she does get the gun, is she going to fire over the kids risking they get hit with friendly appleannie1 Dec 2012 #53
Only if she is hiding behind the students. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #74
Children, and this may surprise you, move about. MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #80
Congratulations. That is a good assessment ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #81
She will ask the "bad guy" to wait a minute bongbong Dec 2012 #56
When they were talking about teachers being armed, mary195149 Dec 2012 #62
You're right. musical_soul Dec 2012 #97
The only people who need Psych eval's are members of the public MichiganVote Dec 2012 #99
When I first heard about the shooting a couple of weeks ago..... musical_soul Dec 2012 #104
You're dreaming. There are no security officers in all HS's, MS's or elem. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #107
By the way, this is such a great post I wish I could rec it. Thank you. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #129
"Why do you all believe that all will be right in the world if guns are banned?" Chorophyll Dec 2012 #108
You know, here's the thing... Chorophyll Dec 2012 #100
So, don't make it a requirement. musical_soul Dec 2012 #105
Your argument about the President's daughters is a bit silly. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #106
How about we have Psych eval's for gun owners honey. You first. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #112
don't need to think about it for a minute ibegurpard Dec 2012 #98
This is a freaking ridiculous idea. We will lose teachers. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #101
It would have to be voluntary krispos42 Dec 2012 #103
Hell, I can see NO TEACHERS volunteering to do this, ever. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #113
Exactly MichiganVote Dec 2012 #117
You might be surprised krispos42 Dec 2012 #123
My kid goes to a huge middle school in a very developed, semi-urban area. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #127
Because... krispos42 Dec 2012 #144
Well, that was very interesting. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #145
Add to that -the 2 mass shootings here in WI and the man who killed his cop wife were VETS PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #148
Yeah. I don't want to make any sweeping generalizations about veterans obviously, but we as a nation Chorophyll Dec 2012 #149
Teachers are hired to teach. If you, Mr. Public, want security-fucking pay for it. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #115
Why would a defensive sidearm be locked up, unable to be used.? PavePusher Dec 2012 #118
Ya, right! Teachers are going to walk around with holsters? What is this? The wild west?? jillan Dec 2012 #125
It IS the wild west according to some people! And the civil war is still being fought, too! Chorophyll Dec 2012 #128
Hardening school buildings and grounds is a more sensible solution. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #147
Thanks IDemo Dec 2012 #150
It's a stupid and crazy idea like EVERYTHING the NRA suggests Taverner Dec 2012 #160
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