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HooptieWagon

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44. Right. Handguns are about 75% of homicides.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Dec 2012

That means rifles of all types (semi, bolt action, assault) PLUS shotguns of all types, plus other firearms, are divided among the remaing 25%. I didn't check the numbers, but it's likely shotgun homicides are in single digit percentage of all homicides.

What do you suggest? nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #1
just that something will have to be done and 2nd amendment proponents can't keep ignoring samsingh Dec 2012 #6
Grenade-like bullets? (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #21
Its their "when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" moment. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #29
you just like making shit up samsingh Dec 2012 #114
I tend to agree that it will be economics that causes changes-- marions ghost Dec 2012 #111
A false premise does not lead to a productive discussion slackmaster Dec 2012 #2
no productive discussion has been happening since 1995 samsingh Dec 2012 #3
I'd set the date at 1913 slackmaster Dec 2012 #5
let's try to stick with American history during our lifetimes samsingh Dec 2012 #7
The "destructive power" of guns has not increased in a long, long time slackmaster Dec 2012 #9
well it's not you i'm trying to convince in any case, but expressing my opinion samsingh Dec 2012 #17
12 gauge semiautomatic shotguns exboyfil Dec 2012 #19
Can you find one example of a homicide involving a semi-automatic shotgun with a 20 round magazine ? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #23
Just wait exboyfil Dec 2012 #30
There's more of them than assault weapon murders sir pball Dec 2012 #31
Right. Handguns are about 75% of homicides. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #44
2.8% sir pball Dec 2012 #51
All firearms are ~75%, handguns are ~50% sir pball Dec 2012 #53
Oh, yes. I agree. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #64
A few years back you could not point to one nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #159
World War 2 M1 Garand vs. 21st Century Gun Nut AR15 + 30 round clip jpak Dec 2012 #128
.30-'06 muzzle energy near 3,000 foot-pounds. 5.56 mm muzzle energy about 1,100 foot-pounds. slackmaster Dec 2012 #130
Yet another gun nuttery deflection - why doesn't the US Army use the M1 Garard today? jpak Dec 2012 #138
If I want to destroy something at 500 or 600 yards slackmaster Dec 2012 #139
No, it is not the weight. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #160
my new favorite response, can I steal it? NightWatcher Dec 2012 #8
Please do. I have more than 1,000 "gun threads" in my trash bin slackmaster Dec 2012 #10
same here Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #12
why do you trivialize rape that way? samsingh Dec 2012 #15
wow that's so witty samsingh Dec 2012 #78
Is this about the Columbine shootings? mmonk Dec 2012 #4
Guns have not become significantly more powerful since about World War I (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #11
You knew shit was going to turn bad when wal-turd ileus Dec 2012 #13
Congratulations...a new world record in hyperbole! HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #14
my point is being made about what is important to some gun proponents samsingh Dec 2012 #16
The only point you've made is that you haven't a clue what you're talking about. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #20
how could it be fabrication when i'm making a forecast? samsingh Dec 2012 #22
Oh, bullshit. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #26
i can see your ability to talk about a point rationally - let me try your reasoning samsingh Dec 2012 #36
I didn't make the claim firepower was increasing exponentially year by year. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #46
you clearly - and i'll type this slowly - don't understand what you are taking about or reading in samsingh Dec 2012 #71
Duh, because your posts are nothing but ignorant babble. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #86
prove i'm wrong samsingh Dec 2012 #91
You made the initial claim, you back it up. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author samsingh Dec 2012 #100
if gun capabilities have not changed since the late 1800s (i laugh as i type this) samsingh Dec 2012 #104
Many reasons. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #110
so you've answered the question you've been pestering me with samsingh Dec 2012 #115
As an unbiased observer - pretty lame, Sam. jmg257 Dec 2012 #117
ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:HISTORY AND PROSPECTS samsingh Dec 2012 #118
Not true at all. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #126
as a comparison samsingh Dec 2012 #119
Have you ever seen a BAR? The M1918 version? jmg257 Dec 2012 #121
the M14 appears to be pretty bulky. The AR-15 is far easier to handle. samsingh Dec 2012 #122
That is true...which is why they were adopted (m16). Little to do with OP though. Nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #123
this is not a f=ma or e=mc2 discussion samsingh Dec 2012 #124
So you are saying the firepower of a rifle is dependant on its APPEARANCE? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #127
You're asking him/her to prove a negative. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59
i'm being asked to prove my forecast samsingh Dec 2012 #69
It's silly when it's being done to you, too. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #73
i was making a forecast - empirical evidence is used to validate a point - not a forecast. samsingh Dec 2012 #75
Actually, empirical evidence is used to substantiate forecasts all the time. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #79
here's one of many web definitions samsingh Dec 2012 #82
OK, let's see the empirical data supporting your "forecast". HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #88
i'm laughing at your complete disregard for what i'm trying to say samsingh Dec 2012 #89
You've made preposterous claims, unsubstantiated by any facts. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #97
why do you think i care whether you address it or not - your acceptance or rejection is completely samsingh Dec 2012 #102
So, you are unable to substantiate even one claim. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #112
guess you can't understand the multiple threads woven in my paragraph samsingh Dec 2012 #113
No, you didn't make a forecast. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #87
firepower has increased exponentially samsingh Dec 2012 #90
Prove it. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #98
you prove it hasn't for every weapon and bullet that is available samsingh Dec 2012 #101
Okay, here's proof you're wrong. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #125
interesting samsingh Dec 2012 #129
Assault weapons are designed for a mobile army. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #131
if they are designed for a mobile army, why are assualt rifles allowed to be owned by civilians? samsingh Dec 2012 #132
Only semi-automatic versions are. Automatics are difficult to own. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #133
is it possible to turn a semi-automatic into an automatic weapon ? samsingh Dec 2012 #134
The parts to do so are as tightly regulated as auto weapons are. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author samsingh Dec 2012 #136
that's a good control samsingh Dec 2012 #137
Depends on how one defines "firepower" Kaleva Dec 2012 #49
Correct. And those changes reflect the changes in how modern war is conducted. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #61
please explain how guns are getting more powerful backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #18
it's only about guns, that i'm asked to provide links on even the most samsingh Dec 2012 #24
I never called you any names backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #27
i'm not surprised that 'you're a gun owner' samsingh Dec 2012 #32
Slow down. Gun violence is at the lowest level in 40 years Recursion Dec 2012 #34
are you familar with the massacres in the last couple of weeks? samsingh Dec 2012 #37
Yes. Do you remember the 1990s? Recursion Dec 2012 #39
i don't think it matters to the massacred children, their families, or people like me who care and samsingh Dec 2012 #42
Yes, that's the problem with plunging crime rates Recursion Dec 2012 #47
"Plunging crime rates" bongbong Dec 2012 #56
I've never been a "rights" or "defense" person Recursion Dec 2012 #65
LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #66
Ludicrous Recursion Dec 2012 #67
Still LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #68
love the laughing figure - potentially show how important the gun massacre topic may be to you samsingh Dec 2012 #80
Not laughing at the slaughter bongbong Dec 2012 #84
okay, that makes sense samsingh Dec 2012 #93
prove gun control doesn't work samsingh Dec 2012 #77
The District of Columbia (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #140
where are the links and have you isolated out factors such as gang violence and poverty samsingh Dec 2012 #143
DC banned guns. Gun prevalence increased Recursion Dec 2012 #145
if we're talking in good faith, i think other factors have to weigh in samsingh Dec 2012 #146
If you are going to factor in Jenoch Dec 2012 #151
i think we should consider those - especially lives that were saved when a gun was available for samsingh Dec 2012 #152
there are 20 butchered children and adults who put themselves in front of bullets to save other samsingh Dec 2012 #72
cool backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #52
OK, provide proof firepower is exponentially increasing year by year. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #28
'provide proof' samsingh Dec 2012 #33
The technology of guns is unchanged since the early 1900s for the most part Recursion Dec 2012 #35
bigger caliber bullets, lighter guns, ability to fire more bullets per minute samsingh Dec 2012 #38
Bullets have been getting smaller, not bigger. Guns cannot fire more bullets per minute now... Recursion Dec 2012 #43
Guns easily can fire more rounds per minute now then could be done in the 1890's Kaleva Dec 2012 #60
Yes, if you go back 120 years, that's true. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #62
Slide stocks are relatively new. Kaleva Dec 2012 #63
you asked a question - in your last line - you admit that polymers samsingh Dec 2012 #74
No, it's really, really not Recursion Dec 2012 #141
i don't remember historical incidents where someone massacred dozens of people samsingh Dec 2012 #142
And yet the technology to do so existed Recursion Dec 2012 #144
problem: there are many massacres where guns are involved and guns make samsingh Dec 2012 #147
for the people making the rules - it's about profits and money samsingh Dec 2012 #148
*shrug* the PTB could profit from weed if they wanted to Recursion Dec 2012 #150
actually it has samsingh Dec 2012 #153
Guns make massacres easier. Guns haven't changed in 100 years or so. Recursion Dec 2012 #149
assualt rifles were not available pre world war I samsingh Dec 2012 #154
They were called carbines, and cavalry and dragoons had them Recursion Dec 2012 #155
some changes samsingh Dec 2012 #156
OK, so you're describing changes from the 1940's Recursion Dec 2012 #158
but they're still changing every year - what are they changing? samsingh Dec 2012 #161
Nothing, really. Like I said the main designs today are from the 1950's and earlier Recursion Dec 2012 #163
some research from the net samsingh Dec 2012 #162
Someone introduced a hunting handgun cartridge? Jesus, you're stretching there Recursion Dec 2012 #164
there is a relationship between bullet size, shape, muzzle size, energy, etc samsingh Dec 2012 #165
Only one of those is true (lighter guns). Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #48
"obvious points" ??? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #41
the more time I spend on DU lately EnviroBat Dec 2012 #25
of course, we should just chuck up massacres - or better still - go buy more guns samsingh Dec 2012 #40
In the same boat. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #45
Not only the hysteria, falsehoods, and name-calling, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #50
The discussions on Meta about deliberate, organized attempts to silence other posters... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #55
And not to Berserker Dec 2012 #57
btw - you're not obligated to respond or even read the whole post of something you don't agree with samsingh Dec 2012 #70
Oh, believe me, I often don't these days. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #81
thanks for viewpoints - they are respectful - and i appreciate that samsingh Dec 2012 #83
I try to keep it that way. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #85
thanks samsingh Dec 2012 #92
bullet dissassembley the antigun Dec 2012 #54
That's a fair point. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #58
Follow Fienstien's example shintao Dec 2012 #76
The premise of the OP is false cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #94
and what sensible gun control would you propose? samsingh Dec 2012 #95
I don't consider the 2nd Amd a personal right, so cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #96
makes sense samsingh Dec 2012 #103
Something does need to be done. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #105
that's what i'm seeing samsingh Dec 2012 #106
more gun deaths - this time inside a police station samsingh Dec 2012 #107
It's every day. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #108
there are what 300 million guns in the country samsingh Dec 2012 #109
keep singing sam marions ghost Dec 2012 #120
Epic fail. closeupready Dec 2012 #116
i think some good points were expressed in this thread samsingh Dec 2012 #157
did they invent some new caliber of bullet or something? what did i miss? dionysus Dec 2012 #166
Everything is 'new' to someone just getting up to speed. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #167
i'm pretty much up to speed samsingh Dec 2012 #168
So now you understand that the only recent changes are in materials and reliability, rather than X_Digger Dec 2012 #169
some stuff coming down the pipe samsingh Dec 2012 #170
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