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leveymg

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65. Why is it that the Evil Old Men all seem to die in bed, unlike their many victims?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:03 AM
Dec 2012

The biggest pass that GHW got was the Cold War. That seemed to excuse a great many bad things for Bush as CIA Director, including the Operation Condor death squads and his role in the Pinochet regime's assassinations in America (the bombing in Washington that killed Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffett), and afterwards.

Then there was the Safari Club arrangement with Prince Turki al Faisal that set up BCCI, armed Saudi Arabia's proxy, Pakistan, with nuclear weapons and allowed the Saudis to set up a global covert paramilitary capability that became al-Qaeda.

Poppy's professional career -- in all its glory -- including Bush family's role in financial piracy, working with the bin Laden and bin Mahfooz in multiple bank lootings and land grabs across the oil patch states which became known as the S&L Crisis . . . it's all here, with citations and sources, waiting for anyone who wants to know how America was looted and colonized by the oilogarchs.

Thank G.H.W. for the original "Safari Club" deal by which the Saudis paid for CIA covert ops
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that the Democratic Congress and the Carter Administration had banned after the Church and Pike Committee revelations of assassinations, coups, and domestic dirty tricks by the CIA. So, in 1975-76, CIA Director Bush made a deal with Saudi intel chief Prince Turki al-Faisal to outsource and privatize these sorts of things with Saudi money paying for it. In exchange, the Saudis got the Bush CIA's permission to develop the "Islamic atomic bomb" through their proxy, Pakistan, along with the go-ahead to build and field their own covert operations capabilities with Osama bin Laden eventually given command over global logistics and organization. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280

That arrangement morphed into CIA Operation Cyclone that brought hundreds of Jihadists into the U.S. for training and safekeeping in the secret war against the Russians and the Serbs that continued right up to 9/11 - despite repeated Jihadist killings of Americans during the 1990s, that sort of entry was so routine that the State Department and INS looked the other way when a bunch of Saudis with known terrorist ties were given visas and allowed entry into the U.S. in the two year period leading up to the attacks. Every time the FBI came close to busting up these cells, the Agency pushed the Bureau away, as was SOP. In 2001, things got so hot that even the CIA Director was alarmed enough to make personal visits to the President, but as always, the Bushes refused to do anything that might antagonize or embarrass their patrons, the Saudis, who by that point owned a large chunk of corporate America and were the primary funders of the Republican Party. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/308

The Saudis still have a huge slush fund, "al Yamamah" (The Dove) used for intelligence and influence buying operations in the US and UK - basically, the Saudis have bought protection from any accountability or interference using petrodollars and kickbacks from arms purchases, corrupting and blackmailing vast swaths of top officials in both both governments. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/303

UBL was "our man" (really the Saudi GID intel service and their primary US liaisons, the Bush family) in Khartoum and Kandahar long after the Soviet Union collapsed. The Saudis never really abandoned him or the fight against the Russians over oil. It was obviously in both our and the Saudis mutual interest that UBL never testify about what his actual role was in that war. See, also, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/04/810764/-Erik-P...
Empathy, maybe? flvegan Dec 2012 #1
Empahy the right never shows to antbody? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #8
Your point? flvegan Dec 2012 #11
You're right we're not them. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #12
How exciting. flvegan Dec 2012 #17
Oh, the syntax police have arrived. How quaint. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #25
Retired English Teacher! cartach Dec 2012 #40
lol 2pooped2pop Dec 2012 #49
Doubleplusone! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #78
Aside from the grave dancing thread? Fearless Dec 2012 #2
I disagree MessiahRp Dec 2012 #16
Suggesting that Fearless Dec 2012 #37
No it's not. It's indifference to their death. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #48
Personally, I've wished him death for a long time. 2pooped2pop Dec 2012 #50
Elderly man, possibly on his deathbed? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #3
God only knows burrowowl Dec 2012 #4
There is some subtlety? Pholus Dec 2012 #5
He spent his life seeking power and wealth. I pity his family at his deathbed, but he did so many uppityperson Dec 2012 #6
He gets no respect from me. Whovian Dec 2012 #7
He's a former POTUS, and he's dying. It's a legacy trying to not admit we elected a jerk thing. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #9
He is a POS Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #10
the usual bullshit when evil leaders die. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #13
He's an old man with a fever for several weeks, it's going up, so he is The Second Stone Dec 2012 #14
Al Capone looks good compared to W. jmowreader Dec 2012 #22
Or his possible CIA involvement in the JFK Assassination? MessiahRp Dec 2012 #15
That, among other things going back to WWII and what appears to be his involvement.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #64
Great. zappaman Dec 2012 #92
On the other thread and affirmed that you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #94
I have absolutely no respect for that guy. NealK Dec 2012 #18
I respect a Republican that is president for only one term. Kablooie Dec 2012 #19
Chalk it up to Paid Posters or People with No Memory(?) triplepoint Dec 2012 #20
Paid posters? Bucky Dec 2012 #46
I'll give him credit for one thing. progressoid Dec 2012 #21
As long as he was running against Reagan, he did jmowreader Dec 2012 #23
Hah, I've often said condoleeza Dec 2012 #89
He was far more than just pro-choice Oilwellian Dec 2012 #98
He also signed the Americans with Disabilities Act. thucythucy Dec 2012 #84
I hate this loyalsister Dec 2012 #97
but he would not sign Carolina Dec 2012 #105
Just another war criminal as far as I'm concerned. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #24
He raised taxes on the rich when it was necessary, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #26
But for a Republican, HW was really not that bad. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #31
I did... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #87
But, like his son, he lied us into war deutsey Dec 2012 #59
I won't shed a tear putitinD Dec 2012 #27
There are plenty of people here who have never hated him. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #28
What do you expect in Trolltown? whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #29
Respecting the office of the president isn't trolling. Anyone who serves as the president of my Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #30
Bullshit whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #33
Dubya's misadventure in Iraq has left thousands of US dead R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #34
I generally agree. Of the 3 most recent Republican presidents, he was the least malignant, Bucky Dec 2012 #44
This is precisely the spirit my post was made in. Thanks for articulating your view so succinctly. Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #81
Are you serious? malaise Dec 2012 #57
That's the same reasoning they tried to pound into me in the military. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #61
Probably because adieu Dec 2012 #32
oy Bucky Dec 2012 #45
We can't say for certain adieu Dec 2012 #93
And what about his bailing out of his plane, leaving his crew to die? And the October Surprise, kath Dec 2012 #35
He received the Distinguished Flying Cross for that stunt. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #113
Sometimes silence is the best policy. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #36
If we're nice to him, maybe he'll make a deathbed confession.. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #38
His family wants him dead before Jan 1st. CIA wants him dead ASAP. Festivito Dec 2012 #42
He was in the middle of everything bad and was LuvNewcastle Dec 2012 #43
I think you John2 Dec 2012 #39
A minor point: he was never a senator, but Ilsa Dec 2012 #54
But then Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #63
to get Jeb nominated for the republican primary winner in 2016 graham4anything Dec 2012 #41
No, we shouldn't overlook any of this condoleeza Dec 2012 #47
I have empathy for him JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #51
I don't want to see anyone die. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #52
I'm sorry he's ill. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #53
I do not get it either. But apparently he did what Obama has issues doing now... Safetykitten Dec 2012 #55
He was correct about "voodoo economics" corkhead Dec 2012 #56
I despise the Bush family and everything they stand for, LeftofObama Dec 2012 #58
Personally I don't care what happens to him. Marrah_G Dec 2012 #60
What is with the sudden outpouring of respect for George Bush Sr? Flashmann Dec 2012 #62
Why is it that the Evil Old Men all seem to die in bed, unlike their many victims? leveymg Dec 2012 #65
you should make this an OP nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #66
I will. There's lots more. Here's another piece of it. leveymg Dec 2012 #67
thanks for this too nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #68
Spot on, levymg DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #115
Thank you for this post! Carolina Dec 2012 #107
Dead man walking, that's what. Iggo Dec 2012 #69
Maybe it's because... sendero Dec 2012 #70
No, his son Carolina Dec 2012 #108
I really think it's about death. JNelson6563 Dec 2012 #71
I don't understand why my local news feels the need to make it their top story every day, tanyev Dec 2012 #72
I had not noticed this. Of course, I don't watch any M$M, none at all Coyotl Dec 2012 #73
The Republican Party has gotten so insane... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #74
Ford actually gave us Cheney he was his Chief of Staff WI_DEM Dec 2012 #75
Respect for elders, respect for veterans, respect for the Presidency. slackmaster Dec 2012 #76
I agree slackmaster randr Dec 2012 #77
Its dangerous historical revisionism and whitewashing to smooth Jeb Bush's presidential run riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #119
He made mistakes for sure fadedrose Dec 2012 #79
C'mon...he's an old, dying President. He is due some respect. Atman Dec 2012 #80
Right on. As the party that is more for humanity, I feel we don't need to lose ours. Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #82
People are showing their true colors. Rex Dec 2012 #83
he is a crook and a warmongering killer and liar. Whisp Dec 2012 #85
His Use Of Lee Atwater In The 1988 Election More Than Erases Any Good He Did. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #86
De mortui nil nisi bonum DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #88
No respect here JReed Dec 2012 #90
I wish him to fall off the fiscal cliff before he kicks the bucket Generic Other Dec 2012 #91
Trolls tabasco Dec 2012 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #96
Everyone dies... Carni Dec 2012 #99
You're certainly NOT hearing it from me. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #100
Can't wait (not) to hear the commentary on this forum when Jimmy Carter passes. Purveyor Dec 2012 #101
I think it's more respect towards any very old person. He probably doesn't even remember what he did Sunlei Dec 2012 #102
not all old people deserve respect Carolina Dec 2012 #110
THANK YOU. SOME have stayed way past their "due" date. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #117
I meant like clean diapers, regular feeding and liquids 'respect', not love or sorrow when he goes Sunlei Dec 2012 #122
You don't have to respect someone to have empathy for them justiceischeap Dec 2012 #103
The reason he enlisted in WWII was to save the family reputation PDJane Dec 2012 #104
If you compare him to his idiot kid riqster Dec 2012 #106
This is DU3 not DU2. n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #109
it goes along with the job. spanone Dec 2012 #111
Because refraining from dumping all over the sick & dying makes us a more civil Raine Dec 2012 #112
Hey, even if he sired Satan cbrer Dec 2012 #114
De mortuis nihil nisi bonum baldguy Dec 2012 #116
Undoubtely he, as a GOP did bad things DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #118
I just don't care all that much. Kalidurga Dec 2012 #120
No, we do not let things slip..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #121
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