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In reply to the discussion: Here's a punch in the face from Thomas Jefferson to today's 2nd amendment crowd [View all]jody
(26,624 posts)156. Rights are not "law" created by our Constitution, e.g. "The right of the people peaceably to
assemble for lawful purposes existed long before the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. In fact, it is, and always has been, one of the attributes of citizenship under a free government. It 'derives its source,' to use the language of Chief Justice Marshall, in Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat. 211, 'from those laws whose authority is acknowledged by civilized man throughout the world.' "
See UNITED STATES v. CRUIKSHANK (1876)
The government created by We the People is supposed to protect the "rights" enumerated in our BOR and unenumerated by the Ninth Amendment.
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Here's a punch in the face from Thomas Jefferson to today's 2nd amendment crowd [View all]
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
OP
how will the gun worshippers square this with their love of Scalia and Thomas!?
villager
Dec 2012
#1
Not during the Constitutional Convention. He came back; Jefferson replaced him.
Recursion
Dec 2012
#82
Photo of yahoos standing in line this weekend hoping to buy an assault weapon, a week after tragedy.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#6
Hmmm - that's the first thing I noticed. All a bunch of white men standing in that line.
calimary
Dec 2012
#112
I have to love your user name. How come you chose it (I know what it means...)?
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#15
Certain restaurants in France call appetizers "amuse bouche" I found that pretty funny.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#97
what a sad photo! All those young men with no dreams, no hopes...probably no future...
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#17
They'd be "gangbangers" and their deaths would be celebrated with Gungeon happy dances
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#35
before you were saying tests for mental illness, now you're saying tests for sanity, which?
CreekDog
Dec 2012
#44
Sorry, my friend, but it's no photoshop. Atlanta Journal Constitution has photo above and others.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#96
I'm sorry...this pic reaffirms why at times White men scare the shit out of me.
vaberella
Dec 2012
#151
Seems equal opportunity to me. I can imagine turned on free speech advocates just as well.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#7
Most other advanced nations have some variation of freedom of speech, guns not so much
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#10
Our Constitution is outdated, IMO. And we have sacralized it to such a point that we cannot
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#34
Yes, being able to add amendments is a saving grace. Being able to establish constitutonal rights
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#47
So you think slaveholders and ethnic cleansers wrote a better consititution than we could do today?
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#19
Since you mention Jefferson don't ignore he and Madison wrote the KY & VA Resolutions and proposed
jody
Dec 2012
#13
Sorry to dash your hopes but Alabama (or any other state for that matter) will NOT secede
2ndAmForComputers
Dec 2012
#152
That's strange, in Civilization Revolution I have had tanks and bombers shot down...
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#114
And the quote in the OP means he knew that future generations would be different,
NYC Liberal
Dec 2012
#59
You conflate Constitution with Rights. BOR does not create rights because they preexist our
jody
Dec 2012
#49
So, Are You Saying That Owning Firearms Is A God Given Right or a Man Made Right?
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#51
I don't need to say anything, PA, VT, & other states have said all that needs to be said. SCOTUS
jody
Dec 2012
#60
Thank You For Ducking The Question - Your Non Answer Speaks Volume About What you Believe
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#65
And your inability to read and understand our Constitution, state constitutions, and SCOTUS opinions
jody
Dec 2012
#68
What I Believe And Know Is That All Law Is Not Writ In Stone - A Point That You Fail To Appreciate
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#71
SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that question and given the courts preference for stare decisis it
jody
Dec 2012
#73
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#76
Please stick to the OP which talked about our Constitution and the Second Amendment. What you seem to
jody
Dec 2012
#79
It's amazing how many people treat the law as if it were a monolithic act of nature...
Larry Ogg
Dec 2012
#118
Rights are not "law" created by our Constitution, e.g. "The right of the people peaceably to
jody
Dec 2012
#156
Nothing in your quote suggests rejecting rights that states have declared are natural, inherent,
jody
Dec 2012
#62
Yes And We Have Already Established Your Preferences - Rights Are Bestowed By Man - Not God
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#67
What you or I or others believe about rights doesn't matter. SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that
jody
Dec 2012
#70
Precedent Can Be Overturned With New Precedent - No Law Lasts Forever - It Is Fundamental
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#72
Given the courts preference for stare decisis it seems unlikely that it will reverse its decision in
jody
Dec 2012
#74
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#77
I have a right to be secure in my person. That right conflicts with the second amendment.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#99
The issue is for the states to decide since they represented their citizens and delegated limited
jody
Dec 2012
#100
It's an issue that very well may be decided at the SCOTUS. Hopefully one with 5 or more Liberal
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#102
If Heller were reversed, the dissent by Stevens and 3 other justices recognize RKBA was declared
jody
Dec 2012
#103
Slavery was upheld multiple times too. Anachronisms like slavery and 'right to guns' eventually go
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#119
Along with all the other enunerated & unenumerated rights government is supposed to
jody
Dec 2012
#138
I'm sure you would have wanted to protect the right to own a slave and to keep women from voting
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#141
Expect that kind of response if you are arguing original intent issues. That is what that means. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#143
Jefferson - One Brilliant Man - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now - Outlaw All Firearms
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#52
I think we can gradually cut back the gun culture like we did the tobacco culture
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#58
Yes - Society, Attitudes and Expectations Can Change - The 2nd Amendment Is Not Cast In Stone
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#66
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
jody
Dec 2012
#106
Non-Constitutional law can be challenged and considering that ruling is outdated
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#139
"outdated" shows you aren't well informed. Read SCOTUS opinion, dissent, and amicus briefs for
jody
Dec 2012
#145
So a right wing court agrees with your gun hawkishness and you consider that vindication?
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#153
If God doesn't work for you then how about sentient aspect of the universe?
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#132
If only this Jefferson statement was better known to more Americans than this one...
radarluv
Dec 2012
#104
The problem with "from time to time" is that those who despise the current leaders in government
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#115
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars
matchoo
Dec 2012
#123
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people
jody
Dec 2012
#146
Coming from a man that helped inact slavery but was "in love" with a Black woman.
vaberella
Dec 2012
#149