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In reply to the discussion: Here's a punch in the face from Thomas Jefferson to today's 2nd amendment crowd [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)141. I'm sure you would have wanted to protect the right to own a slave and to keep women from voting
Of that I have no doubt.
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Here's a punch in the face from Thomas Jefferson to today's 2nd amendment crowd [View all]
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
OP
how will the gun worshippers square this with their love of Scalia and Thomas!?
villager
Dec 2012
#1
Not during the Constitutional Convention. He came back; Jefferson replaced him.
Recursion
Dec 2012
#82
Photo of yahoos standing in line this weekend hoping to buy an assault weapon, a week after tragedy.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#6
Hmmm - that's the first thing I noticed. All a bunch of white men standing in that line.
calimary
Dec 2012
#112
I have to love your user name. How come you chose it (I know what it means...)?
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#15
Certain restaurants in France call appetizers "amuse bouche" I found that pretty funny.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#97
what a sad photo! All those young men with no dreams, no hopes...probably no future...
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#17
They'd be "gangbangers" and their deaths would be celebrated with Gungeon happy dances
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#35
before you were saying tests for mental illness, now you're saying tests for sanity, which?
CreekDog
Dec 2012
#44
Sorry, my friend, but it's no photoshop. Atlanta Journal Constitution has photo above and others.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#96
I'm sorry...this pic reaffirms why at times White men scare the shit out of me.
vaberella
Dec 2012
#151
Seems equal opportunity to me. I can imagine turned on free speech advocates just as well.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#7
Most other advanced nations have some variation of freedom of speech, guns not so much
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#10
Our Constitution is outdated, IMO. And we have sacralized it to such a point that we cannot
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#34
Yes, being able to add amendments is a saving grace. Being able to establish constitutonal rights
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#47
So you think slaveholders and ethnic cleansers wrote a better consititution than we could do today?
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#19
Since you mention Jefferson don't ignore he and Madison wrote the KY & VA Resolutions and proposed
jody
Dec 2012
#13
Sorry to dash your hopes but Alabama (or any other state for that matter) will NOT secede
2ndAmForComputers
Dec 2012
#152
That's strange, in Civilization Revolution I have had tanks and bombers shot down...
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#114
And the quote in the OP means he knew that future generations would be different,
NYC Liberal
Dec 2012
#59
You conflate Constitution with Rights. BOR does not create rights because they preexist our
jody
Dec 2012
#49
So, Are You Saying That Owning Firearms Is A God Given Right or a Man Made Right?
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#51
I don't need to say anything, PA, VT, & other states have said all that needs to be said. SCOTUS
jody
Dec 2012
#60
Thank You For Ducking The Question - Your Non Answer Speaks Volume About What you Believe
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#65
And your inability to read and understand our Constitution, state constitutions, and SCOTUS opinions
jody
Dec 2012
#68
What I Believe And Know Is That All Law Is Not Writ In Stone - A Point That You Fail To Appreciate
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#71
SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that question and given the courts preference for stare decisis it
jody
Dec 2012
#73
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#76
Please stick to the OP which talked about our Constitution and the Second Amendment. What you seem to
jody
Dec 2012
#79
It's amazing how many people treat the law as if it were a monolithic act of nature...
Larry Ogg
Dec 2012
#118
Rights are not "law" created by our Constitution, e.g. "The right of the people peaceably to
jody
Dec 2012
#156
Nothing in your quote suggests rejecting rights that states have declared are natural, inherent,
jody
Dec 2012
#62
Yes And We Have Already Established Your Preferences - Rights Are Bestowed By Man - Not God
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#67
What you or I or others believe about rights doesn't matter. SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that
jody
Dec 2012
#70
Precedent Can Be Overturned With New Precedent - No Law Lasts Forever - It Is Fundamental
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#72
Given the courts preference for stare decisis it seems unlikely that it will reverse its decision in
jody
Dec 2012
#74
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#77
I have a right to be secure in my person. That right conflicts with the second amendment.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#99
The issue is for the states to decide since they represented their citizens and delegated limited
jody
Dec 2012
#100
It's an issue that very well may be decided at the SCOTUS. Hopefully one with 5 or more Liberal
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#102
If Heller were reversed, the dissent by Stevens and 3 other justices recognize RKBA was declared
jody
Dec 2012
#103
Slavery was upheld multiple times too. Anachronisms like slavery and 'right to guns' eventually go
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#119
Along with all the other enunerated & unenumerated rights government is supposed to
jody
Dec 2012
#138
I'm sure you would have wanted to protect the right to own a slave and to keep women from voting
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#141
Expect that kind of response if you are arguing original intent issues. That is what that means. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#143
Jefferson - One Brilliant Man - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now - Outlaw All Firearms
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#52
I think we can gradually cut back the gun culture like we did the tobacco culture
MightyMopar
Dec 2012
#58
Yes - Society, Attitudes and Expectations Can Change - The 2nd Amendment Is Not Cast In Stone
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#66
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
jody
Dec 2012
#106
Non-Constitutional law can be challenged and considering that ruling is outdated
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#139
"outdated" shows you aren't well informed. Read SCOTUS opinion, dissent, and amicus briefs for
jody
Dec 2012
#145
So a right wing court agrees with your gun hawkishness and you consider that vindication?
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#153
If God doesn't work for you then how about sentient aspect of the universe?
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#132
If only this Jefferson statement was better known to more Americans than this one...
radarluv
Dec 2012
#104
The problem with "from time to time" is that those who despise the current leaders in government
MessiahRp
Dec 2012
#115
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars
matchoo
Dec 2012
#123
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people
jody
Dec 2012
#146
Coming from a man that helped inact slavery but was "in love" with a Black woman.
vaberella
Dec 2012
#149