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stevenleser

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141. I'm sure you would have wanted to protect the right to own a slave and to keep women from voting
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
Dec 2012

Of that I have no doubt.

how will the gun worshippers square this with their love of Scalia and Thomas!? villager Dec 2012 #1
Jefferson was against the Constitution to begin with, for that matter Recursion Dec 2012 #2
Turned all those French guns, navy and soldiers were needed. MightyMopar Dec 2012 #5
Virginia Milita outnumberd the French Army happyslug Dec 2012 #78
Benjamin Franklin was the Ambassador to France Ian62 Dec 2012 #81
Not during the Constitutional Convention. He came back; Jefferson replaced him. Recursion Dec 2012 #82
Oh Jeez. Jefferson did not draft the Constitution. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #144
Your timeline is a little screwed up. Bucky Dec 2012 #160
If I recall correctly, he wanted all legislation to have an Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #3
More or less correct nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4
That's more in line to how the French constitution works. vaberella Dec 2012 #150
Photo of yahoos standing in line this weekend hoping to buy an assault weapon, a week after tragedy. Hoyt Dec 2012 #6
I haven't seen that many mad white people since they cancelled Cheers. Erose999 Dec 2012 #9
You just had to go there, didn't you? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #16
Hmmm - that's the first thing I noticed. All a bunch of white men standing in that line. calimary Dec 2012 #112
Yuk amuse bouche Dec 2012 #12
I have to love your user name. How come you chose it (I know what it means...)? CTyankee Dec 2012 #15
Certain restaurants in France call appetizers "amuse bouche" I found that pretty funny. stevenleser Dec 2012 #97
I am sure he/she did. CTyankee Dec 2012 #110
Not to get too technical Tsiyu Dec 2012 #162
Thanks amuse bouche Dec 2012 #122
A lovely philosophy! I'm just jealous that I didn't think of it... CTyankee Dec 2012 #128
what a sad photo! All those young men with no dreams, no hopes...probably no future... CTyankee Dec 2012 #17
And a young woman with a stroller/baby carriage..... tpsbmam Dec 2012 #26
a sad commentary on utter hopelessness in american life today... CTyankee Dec 2012 #30
there brave sacrifice for their country is evident samsingh Dec 2012 #27
If They Were Brown or Black otohara Dec 2012 #32
They'd be "gangbangers" and their deaths would be celebrated with Gungeon happy dances MightyMopar Dec 2012 #35
Do You Have The Link to This otohara Dec 2012 #36
It's Atlanta journal, search under line for gun show. Hoyt Dec 2012 #54
What do you supposed the collective IQ is of this group? pangaia Dec 2012 #37
What do you suppose it was, and why? Recursion Dec 2012 #83
Just means more guns to confiscate when the mandatory sanity tests begin... NT _Liann_ Dec 2012 #38
before you were saying tests for mental illness, now you're saying tests for sanity, which? CreekDog Dec 2012 #44
The most astoundingly bad photoshop hack job forever.... cliffordu Dec 2012 #84
You think it is fake? Proof? Logical Dec 2012 #94
Sorry, my friend, but it's no photoshop. Atlanta Journal Constitution has photo above and others. Hoyt Dec 2012 #96
"Wheeling out cases of ammunition" pitbullgirl1965 Dec 2012 #101
yup Skittles Dec 2012 #85
Look at all those pathetic losers. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #86
What the hell is wrong with those people? tavalon Dec 2012 #93
Look like future terrorists to me! pitbullgirl1965 Dec 2012 #98
All testoserone filled youngish white males Cherchez la Femme Dec 2012 #108
Idjits. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #109
I'm sorry...this pic reaffirms why at times White men scare the shit out of me. vaberella Dec 2012 #151
Seems equal opportunity to me. I can imagine turned on free speech advocates just as well. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #7
I can't help but wonder what lies in between all the dots... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #92
Nothing that alters the message conveyed. gcomeau Dec 2012 #105
...and a jab to ribs to the 1st. Amendment crowd. OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #8
Most other advanced nations have some variation of freedom of speech, guns not so much MightyMopar Dec 2012 #10
I don't really have a dog in this fight... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #14
Witness Nancy Lanza (n/t) Tab Dec 2012 #21
Cant she's dead... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #46
Obvious point is obvious. Iggo Dec 2012 #127
They have some variation of freedom of speech, JoeyT Dec 2012 #23
Our Constitution is outdated, IMO. And we have sacralized it to such a point that we cannot CTyankee Dec 2012 #34
We can add amendments to it. JoeyT Dec 2012 #39
Yes, being able to add amendments is a saving grace. Being able to establish constitutonal rights CTyankee Dec 2012 #47
Amen to that. JoeyT Dec 2012 #64
This. a2liberal Dec 2012 #111
The larger question pipoman Dec 2012 #124
And due process crowd. Igel Dec 2012 #11
So you think slaveholders and ethnic cleansers wrote a better consititution than we could do today? MightyMopar Dec 2012 #19
I shudder to think what kind of constitution "we" would come up with today. Bake Dec 2012 #25
Like there wasn't fear in 1786? Let's keep the failing system we have MightyMopar Dec 2012 #29
Well, given what you object to, JoeyT Dec 2012 #42
There's still an inherent need for freedom of speech Major Nikon Dec 2012 #69
Can't argue with that... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #88
Since you mention Jefferson don't ignore he and Madison wrote the KY & VA Resolutions and proposed jody Dec 2012 #13
Sorry to dash your hopes but Alabama (or any other state for that matter) will NOT secede 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #152
you *really* want to play Jefferson quotes? Careful now... green for victory Dec 2012 #18
That was before drones, robots and satellite driven tanks MightyMopar Dec 2012 #20
Please quote accurately from your own source. mbperrin Dec 2012 #24
Good catch. secondvariety Dec 2012 #55
And another Gungeoneer exhibits billh58 Dec 2012 #31
How many handheld guns would it take to stop one of these? SWTORFanatic Dec 2012 #33
Nuff said! paleotn Dec 2012 #45
That's strange, in Civilization Revolution I have had tanks and bombers shot down... MessiahRp Dec 2012 #114
Seems the Afghans have put up a pretty pipoman Dec 2012 #126
Even if I accept your premise (I don't), they ain't winning with guns SWTORFanatic Dec 2012 #131
Which is mitigated by the quote in the OP Doctor_J Dec 2012 #40
And the quote in the OP means he knew that future generations would be different, NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #59
Tell that to Scalia evilhime Dec 2012 #22
Dumbest Thing About "Originalism" ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #120
Thanks! boomer55 Dec 2012 #28
Stealing this....great find! rppper Dec 2012 #41
That just doesn't sound right Gman Dec 2012 #43
Fuck that slave-owning piece of shit. harmonicon Dec 2012 #48
Include George Washington and many others. nt jody Dec 2012 #50
Washington's definitely included in "his ilk." (nt) harmonicon Dec 2012 #87
You conflate Constitution with Rights. BOR does not create rights because they preexist our jody Dec 2012 #49
So, Are You Saying That Owning Firearms Is A God Given Right or a Man Made Right? cantbeserious Dec 2012 #51
I don't need to say anything, PA, VT, & other states have said all that needs to be said. SCOTUS jody Dec 2012 #60
Thank You For Ducking The Question - Your Non Answer Speaks Volume About What you Believe cantbeserious Dec 2012 #65
And your inability to read and understand our Constitution, state constitutions, and SCOTUS opinions jody Dec 2012 #68
What I Believe And Know Is That All Law Is Not Writ In Stone - A Point That You Fail To Appreciate cantbeserious Dec 2012 #71
SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that question and given the courts preference for stare decisis it jody Dec 2012 #73
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change cantbeserious Dec 2012 #76
Please stick to the OP which talked about our Constitution and the Second Amendment. What you seem to jody Dec 2012 #79
If you want judge-made law to last forever... tabasco Dec 2012 #91
It's amazing how many people treat the law as if it were a monolithic act of nature... Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #118
Excellent point! Frosty1 Dec 2012 #135
Thank you Frosty1 Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #159
Rights are not "law" created by our Constitution, e.g. "The right of the people peaceably to jody Dec 2012 #156
I agree, rights are not law... Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #158
Heres more Jefferson quotes yuou usually don't hear MightyMopar Dec 2012 #53
Nothing in your quote suggests rejecting rights that states have declared are natural, inherent, jody Dec 2012 #62
Yes And We Have Already Established Your Preferences - Rights Are Bestowed By Man - Not God cantbeserious Dec 2012 #67
What you or I or others believe about rights doesn't matter. SCOTUS since 1876 has answered that jody Dec 2012 #70
Precedent Can Be Overturned With New Precedent - No Law Lasts Forever - It Is Fundamental cantbeserious Dec 2012 #72
Given the courts preference for stare decisis it seems unlikely that it will reverse its decision in jody Dec 2012 #74
If The American People Decide That They Have Had Enough Of The NRA And Gun Apologists It Can Change cantbeserious Dec 2012 #77
See #79 nt jody Dec 2012 #80
I have a right to be secure in my person. That right conflicts with the second amendment. stevenleser Dec 2012 #99
The issue is for the states to decide since they represented their citizens and delegated limited jody Dec 2012 #100
It's an issue that very well may be decided at the SCOTUS. Hopefully one with 5 or more Liberal stevenleser Dec 2012 #102
If Heller were reversed, the dissent by Stevens and 3 other justices recognize RKBA was declared jody Dec 2012 #103
Slavery was upheld multiple times too. Anachronisms like slavery and 'right to guns' eventually go stevenleser Dec 2012 #119
Along with all the other enunerated & unenumerated rights government is supposed to jody Dec 2012 #138
I'm sure you would have wanted to protect the right to own a slave and to keep women from voting stevenleser Dec 2012 #141
Are you unable to conduct an intelligent discussion without insults? Goodbye nt jody Dec 2012 #142
Expect that kind of response if you are arguing original intent issues. That is what that means. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #143
Jefferson - One Brilliant Man - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now - Outlaw All Firearms cantbeserious Dec 2012 #52
I think we can gradually cut back the gun culture like we did the tobacco culture MightyMopar Dec 2012 #58
Yes - Society, Attitudes and Expectations Can Change - The 2nd Amendment Is Not Cast In Stone cantbeserious Dec 2012 #66
Do puritanical bigots hate guns? (nt) harmonicon Dec 2012 #95
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices jody Dec 2012 #106
Because it's puritanical bigots who pushed through anti-tobacco laws. harmonicon Dec 2012 #113
Wait, you mean we can think? Gregorian Dec 2012 #56
In those days, the "liberals", like Jefferson, were for small government. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #57
I never thought that 'small govt' meant size of govt or govt agencies, JaneyVee Dec 2012 #121
That is true as well. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #147
The Original Intent According To Thomas Jefferson DallasNE Dec 2012 #61
Except our Constitution does not grant rights. nt jody Dec 2012 #63
Really, those Amendments do not grant rights? Oh do tell... MessiahRp Dec 2012 #116
UNITED STATES v. CRUIKSHANK ET AL. 92 U.S. 542 (1876) jody Dec 2012 #117
Non-Constitutional law can be challenged and considering that ruling is outdated MessiahRp Dec 2012 #139
"outdated" shows you aren't well informed. Read SCOTUS opinion, dissent, and amicus briefs for jody Dec 2012 #145
So a right wing court agrees with your gun hawkishness and you consider that vindication? MessiahRp Dec 2012 #153
Goodbye. nt jody Dec 2012 #154
If God doesn't work for you then how about sentient aspect of the universe? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #132
This statement should be true... Godot51 Dec 2012 #75
rec 101 Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #89
Great quote... ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #90
If only this Jefferson statement was better known to more Americans than this one... radarluv Dec 2012 #104
The problem with "from time to time" is that those who despise the current leaders in government MessiahRp Dec 2012 #115
So much for the theory of originalism. Kablooie Dec 2012 #107
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars matchoo Dec 2012 #123
Guns are part of the problem, so let's include them in the solution. Hoyt Dec 2012 #129
See, ol' TJ just didn't understand the Gun Boner. Iggo Dec 2012 #125
Amendment II. Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #130
Actually pipoman Dec 2012 #136
UMMMMM .......... Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #137
The larger question nicely avoided.. pipoman Dec 2012 #148
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people jody Dec 2012 #146
Welcome MightyMopar to DU and touche on the OP. Jefferson23 Dec 2012 #133
Thank you for the warm welcome MightyMopar Dec 2012 #157
That's a 200+ year thumb in scalia's eye. Javaman Dec 2012 #134
If the constitution was not intended... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #140
Coming from a man that helped inact slavery but was "in love" with a Black woman. vaberella Dec 2012 #149
My white cousin married a black free woman circa 1850. Their descendants are my dearest friends and jody Dec 2012 #155
This quote is handy for many reasons. Thank you! Care Acutely Dec 2012 #161
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