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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:37 PM

billh58 (5,576 posts)

148. He's gone to the big

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Why don't most people care whether a gun is semi-automatic or automatic? [View all]	pnwmom	Dec 2012	OP
there is a difference and to argue from a position of ignorance weakens any valid points you make	NightWatcher	Dec 2012	#1
The OP said the difference was irrelevant...	gcomeau	Dec 2012	#2
The OP is ignorant and angry	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#4
Says a poster...	gcomeau	Dec 2012	#8
I read the OP prior to posting and stand by my observations	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#13
Right, the fact you have a hard on for guns is established	Whovian	Dec 2012	#101
When you are standing on the side of mass murderers of 6-7 year olds..	99Forever	Dec 2012	#25
I have things I would like to see done to change things for the better.	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#28
What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#43
These guys think...	99Forever	Dec 2012	#78
I missed seeing your comment when I posted below, you are absolutely right. That is what it is	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#83
That's exactly what it is	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#99
I feel many on your side should be totally honest and simply say you wish to ban ...	spin	Dec 2012	#157
I'm willing to consider the legality of a single shot rifle that is difficult to reload.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#167
Really? You're the one pushing to keep the weapon Lanza used legal	Recursion	Dec 2012	#105
Hogwash.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#119
I admit to being angry. What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#42
Actually nothing I would comment on , your post was your opinion	former-republican	Dec 2012	#49
So there was nothing factually incorrect	intaglio	Dec 2012	#129
The OP is absolutely correct.	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#53
The OP is clearly in command of the facts . . .	MrModerate	Dec 2012	#75
Especially with the addition of bump stocks or rubber bands, making them for all intents and purpose	RC	Dec 2012	#144
I don't care if they are semi or automatic. Any gun that fires rounds like that	roguevalley	Dec 2012	#81
A fully auto weapon has not been used	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#103
No automatic weapon has been used in any mass shooting in the US	Recursion	Dec 2012	#108
For a "Professor" you are ignorant of the word ignorant	intaglio	Dec 2012	#127
A high percentage of gun toters/abusers are too.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#128
i understood that.	samsingh	Dec 2012	#34
This s what is amazing	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#5
Which countries military does Bushmaster have a contract with to export their AR 15 to?	former-republican	Dec 2012	#6
Did I say army?	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#15
Please link where Bushmasters are being found all over combat zones	former-republican	Dec 2012	#16
You can call CNN Christianne Ammanpour saw them in Bosnia	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#23
Okay , what you meant to say was that some AR types have been found in other countries	former-republican	Dec 2012	#27
They are out there	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#30
Don't forget the foreign manufacturers like the Chinese Norinco and there CQ AR variant	pediatricmedic	Dec 2012	#68
this sounds like LORD OF WAR	riverbendviewgal	Dec 2012	#66
Led of War is based on one trader	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#69
read in mother jones.	riverbendviewgal	Dec 2012	#74
You have no idea what you are talking about..	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#9
Yeah I don't why they are in the weapons black market.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#11
The ones in Mexico were given to them by the ATF the rest I suspect are M16 clones	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#14
They were? No son, they are bought all along the border	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#19
around the world they want full auto not a semi auto... AKs much cheaper in the third world.	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#26
Of course they aren't	former-republican	Dec 2012	#29
Not as expensive as you think	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#35
They are being smuggled and also sold legally to Mexican authorities	former-republican	Dec 2012	#45
Mexico issues FAL to line troops	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#48
This message was self-deleted by its author	former-republican	Dec 2012	#56
It's the FX-05	former-republican	Dec 2012	#58
That the federal police uses M-16 and M-4 yes	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#61
Yup, must be nice to live in this fantasy.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#32
Evidence?	intaglio	Dec 2012	#131
He's gone to the big	billh58	Dec 2012	#148
I still think the Stone Pizza should be put in the avatar frame	intaglio	Dec 2012	#156
We have no easy way to know if Bushmaster ever received a FMS contract	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#18
Evidence, I'm sure the people who pointed you towards this discussion could provide some n/t	intaglio	Dec 2012	#130
There is a whole lot of that going on these days.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#12
at least Biden is working on it, and he wrote the previous AWB bill. It had a lot of good points	NightWatcher	Dec 2012	#20
That's not good enough! We should all be educated enough on gunnery to write legislation ourselves!!	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#31
You obviously don't know your Glock from a Colt in the ground. :) n/t	klook	Dec 2012	#77
Yep, and I'm proud of it!	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#85
Agreed	klook	Dec 2012	#86
Well, not STFU, but at least listen when those of us who do know guns...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#111
It sounds like Biden is on the right track. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#44
Oh - I did not know he wrote the 1994 bill. It did not hold up too well.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#55
I don't think Biden should be claiming	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#110
I am a (multiple) firearm owner. Have you heard of 'slide bump'?	DollarBillHines	Dec 2012	#17
Spoken like a true	billh58	Dec 2012	#149
.	99th_Monkey	Dec 2012	#154
If we are to have any hope of ever improving the gun laws in our nation ...	spin	Dec 2012	#162
I am not NRA	DollarBillHines	Dec 2012	#170
There is a semantic difference but not an important difference.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#33
Both need to be removed form our country yesterday! It does not matter what you call it.	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#52
continually bizarre	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#71
Offensive is right. good post. nt	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#100
Really? I'm seeing assistance called "derailing"	Recursion	Dec 2012	#109
Diane Feinstein has legislation	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#115
And if you want to assist	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#116
No, that was what I have in mind. I'd like to see handguns significantly restricted	Recursion	Dec 2012	#122
Hog wallow. It is the mindset that is attracted to the military knockoffs that is a major problem.	RC	Dec 2012	#146
Trying to help?	billh58	Dec 2012	#155
Who the **** do you think I am and you are?	Recursion	Dec 2012	#158
No my gunner friend, it's	billh58	Dec 2012	#159
I second that. Good post.	RC	Dec 2012	#145
It used to be Uzi's now it's Bushmasters, nothing much different?	xtraxritical	Dec 2012	#72
Not true	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2012	#79
+1 nt	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#102
OK, but if I wanted to end multihoming and my solution was to ban BGP ...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#112
The bickering over details is how the NRA exhausts opponents of mass murder weapons	_Liann_	Dec 2012	#114
A weapon similar to the Bushmaster WAS NOT	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#136
It's a "distinction without a difference".	SharonAnn	Dec 2012	#121
There is a difference but you don't really care unless you LOVE this ad...	Pholus	Dec 2012	#153
Ignorance makes bad preparation for writing laws. For example, those who want to bad the evil	jody	Dec 2012	#3
And...as I told my congress critter	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#7
And, conversely, these non-semi-automatic models would be A-OK.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#10
I didn't say that. I proved the term semi automatic does not mean all firearms with that type action	jody	Dec 2012	#21
I wasn't contesting your point...	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#24
Mea culpa. Sad that anti-gun DUers are just a click from a group that IMO has the finest group of	jody	Dec 2012	#38
The anti-gun brigade is proposing to limit high capacity magazines and drums.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#46
They are proposing more guns, and more guns everywhere, as always.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2012	#47
I have opinions but I want to hear other people's credible ideas. Please post your thoughts at	jody	Dec 2012	#54
pnwmom you conflate magazines with proposals to prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy. Too many posts	jody	Dec 2012	#88
Why isn't it an effective option to ban the possession of high capacity magazines?	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#91
"Too many posts have repeated ad nauseam the simple fact that hundreds of millions of high capacity	jody	Dec 2012	#93
If criminals aren't affected by laws, why do we have ANY criminal laws?	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#96
"why do we have ANY criminal laws?" Excellent question to which I also would like an answer.	jody	Dec 2012	#97
Simple. I don't need to do a survey.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#98
I wonder what all those people are doing in prison, then.	Iggo	Dec 2012	#142
Ask pnwmom #96 nt	jody	Dec 2012	#143
Yeah, but you and me both know they ain't all pot smokers.	Iggo	Dec 2012	#163
Because making the magazines illegal would be as ineffective as making marijuana illegal has been	Recursion	Dec 2012	#113
You can require guns not to be made with removable magazines.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#117
Yes! That you can do	Recursion	Dec 2012	#120
HA HA- Only the pro-gunners want to or can help with good gun regulations, HA HA	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#87
Actually they already have helped with gun regulations. That is why we are having this problem now.	RC	Dec 2012	#147
It took me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this	intaglio	Dec 2012	#133
The cycling is automatic in both	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#138
Except prior to the NRA redefinition project	intaglio	Dec 2012	#141
I'm saying that guns should be highly restricted, not necessarily banned,	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#36
"pause to reload"	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#22
Amy Bishop, the woman who shot other faculty at Alabama U,	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#37
Just because one person was notably incompetent...	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#40
Being psychotic, as many of these shooters are, doesn't tend to enhance competency.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#76
True. But that's a small number of an already small number.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#80
The problem is that many hunting rifles are semi-automatic, though carrying only 4 or 5 rounds.	eallen	Dec 2012	#39
most people don't know the difference between a scud missile and a patriot missile	spanone	Dec 2012	#41
Patriots dont kill, they are only fired at other missiles. nt	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#84
if I get run over by a car while out walking no one is going to care if it was a Chevy or Ford.	likesmountains 52	Dec 2012	#50
Thank-you!!!!!! +1000	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#51
Agreed No Distinction - It Took Lanza 10 Minutes To Slaughter 26 People - 2.6 People Per Minute	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#57
The difference is that his semi-auto weapon	janx	Dec 2012	#60
Yes - Maybe - But A Distinction Without Much Merit When Viewed Through The Prism Of Destruction	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#62
You could still create a massacre with a conventional semi-automatic weapon.	janx	Dec 2012	#65
what if the bullets only travel 1200 feet PER SECOND?	OneTenthofOnePercent	Dec 2012	#59
As Many Have Pointed Out - The NRA And Gun Apologists Don't Seem To Demonstrate Much Compassion	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#63
You're right: there's a lot of fact-vomiting and mansplaining	Recursion	Dec 2012	#123
My Response - Repeal The 2nd Amendment - Outlaw All Firearms Now! - The Latest, Two Firefighters Dead	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#132
And I think doing that would kill a whole lot of people	Recursion	Dec 2012	#134
I Am Past Half Measures With The Body Count Steadily Rising - I Do Not Support Your Position	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#135
Actually semi-automatics may be more deadly under the circumstances we worry about. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#64
Proposed solution.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#67
if it looks like only a military person should be carrying it, it's a machine gun.	pansypoo53219	Dec 2012	#70
What makes a weapon look like only a military person should be carrying it?	Recursion	Dec 2012	#107
Do most people really not care?	ManiacJoe	Dec 2012	#73
I think pro-gun folks are deliberately trying to steer discussions into the weeds with these	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#82
"how much damage it can do in a short amount of time" What is your specification? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#89
My 'specification' is a public discourse on the subject. nt	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#90
We've had "public discourse" that produced the AWB. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention	jody	Dec 2012	#92
No, we havent	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#94
So we disagree. See link below. The anti-gun community has been trying for decades to	jody	Dec 2012	#95
see, that's the weeds thing he was talking about. Not taking the bait.	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#137
No, I think our party has been burned before by people who know squat about guns writing laws	Recursion	Dec 2012	#104
No, I didnt say that. I dont care about the things you are talking about. Thats what I am saying.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#118
This message was self-deleted by its author	Recursion	Dec 2012	#106
Exactly. And of course they know more about it	treestar	Dec 2012	#125
"What I DONT know is the demarcation point between whether a gun is an assault weapon or not.	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#139
No, it was a dismal failure because it concerned an obscure and irrelevant classification.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#140
Thank you. That's a good criterion. It also is a criterion...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#161
And that should make me unhappy why exactly?	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#168
Obviously I can't speak for you personally	Recursion	Dec 2012	#169
Does it look like a hunting rifle, or a military weapon - a military knock-off, such as a Bushmaster	RC	Dec 2012	#150
OK, but you can't do anything with an "assault weapon" that you can't do with a hunting rifle	Recursion	Dec 2012	#164
Keep reading.	RC	Dec 2012	#165
The rubber band is just as ineffective with assault weapons as it is with hunting rifles	Recursion	Dec 2012	#166
Just try to explain that	billh58	Dec 2012	#171
I agree - attempts to sidetrack on that issue should result in	treestar	Dec 2012	#124
It only took about 15 shots to change the entire world	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#126
Tell that to the parents of the 20 kids at Sandy Point.	RC	Dec 2012	#151
my statement is not in disagreement with your thought	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#172
Would that include handguns? revolvers and other automatics? nt	99th_Monkey	Dec 2012	#152
The reason the difference needs to be pointed out...	Deep13	Dec 2012	#160

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