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I am an Anarchist. Not a "Libertarian" or a "Galtist" but an Anarchist. [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

Me too alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #1

Well, hell -- me three! villager Dec 2012 #3

Me too! burrowowl Dec 2012 #75

Good luck with that. renie408 Dec 2012 #2

Riddle me this, Batman: What good have leaders done? Taverner Dec 2012 #5

Hey!! You should lead that revolt!! ...no...wait.... renie408 Dec 2012 #18

+1 Johonny Dec 2012 #25

lol Hydra Dec 2012 #45

+ 2. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #76

Ha ha ha...plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!!!! MADem Dec 2012 #79

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.” n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #94

The people never would have marched without the leaders exhorting them to jtuck004 Dec 2012 #59

The marchers made the most difference tho Taverner Dec 2012 #64

The "marchers" didn't, because people don't, spontaneously erupt into contradicting jtuck004 Dec 2012 #67

Anarchy doesn't mean no leaders Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #71

Ok, ty. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #93

You merely expose your profound ignorance. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #73

It's profound ignorance to think that anarchy renie408 Dec 2012 #81

Please see Spain 1936 - 1939. Noam Chomsky gave a very enlightening talk on how Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #82

You say 'flippant' like it was a bad thing. renie408 Dec 2012 #85

Anarchy is not lack of structure. That is antinomianism or autonomism Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #90

Anarchy is freedom from government. renie408 Dec 2012 #92

Freedom from governance is not absence of leadership. The essential difference is that anarchy, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #96

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. renie408 Dec 2012 #99

Words do indeed have specific meanings, you just don't understand them. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #105

Is it typical anarchist fashion to ignore renie408 Dec 2012 #108

We both do in our ways. He has tenure at MIT and I simply don't participate in this Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #114

I don't have anybody on 'ignore'. renie408 Dec 2012 #118

Your position regarding the Spanish Anarchists boils down to might makes right. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #120

No renie408 Dec 2012 #121

Human nature allowed for just this kind of communal based culture for 40,000 years. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #137

So, why do you think that it is in the natures of chimpanzees to go to war renie408 Dec 2012 #138

It isn't. There is a big difference between acquisitive violence and organized slaughter. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #140

Also... renie408 Dec 2012 #139

You mean the three years where 1,000,000 people were killed and the country was destroyed? Throd Dec 2012 #97

Yes. The other part you were never taught, or most likely never even heard of. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #98

I think his point is that if you have to kill a million people, it ain't exactly Utopia. renie408 Dec 2012 #100

It wasn't the anarchists that were killing a million people, that was the revolution they weren't Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #103

Ok... renie408 Dec 2012 #106

So your position is that you choose to ignore the living testimony of those that were there, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #112

Again with the picking and choosing definitions... renie408 Dec 2012 #113

Wouldn't you like to know. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #115

I am not the one who started this entire discussion renie408 Dec 2012 #119

Then you are also anti-statist. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #4

Not necessarily alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #7

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #15

Anti-Westphalian-nation-state, you might say (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #35

The state would not be necesarry if we could control our corporations Taverner Dec 2012 #9

The Wealth of Nations and the Declaration of Indepdence were published in the same year Recursion Dec 2012 #126

Iceland does a tolerably good job having a classless society Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #6

Iceland has a population of 300K people Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #10

But - they are eliminating "leadership" Taverner Dec 2012 #13

No, they aren't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #16

Iceland is eliminating the idea of leadership Taverner Dec 2012 #11

Then it sounds like you need to update that passport!! renie408 Dec 2012 #21

A love it or leave it post. I forgot how annoying those are. white_wolf Dec 2012 #28

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #36

No - America, if any place, can understand Anarchism better than any country Taverner Dec 2012 #37

Don't forget the Wobblies! One Big Union. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #44

The IWW! Taverner Dec 2012 #57

Every American should keep their passport up to date. Far to few americans travel abroad. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #50

Except that will never happen. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #8

Sigh - yes, you are right. But that can't stop me from dreaming. Taverner Dec 2012 #12

What kind of Anarchist? JaneyVee Dec 2012 #14

Anarcho-Syndicalist Taverner Dec 2012 #17

The best kind! JaneyVee Dec 2012 #19

How many Anarchists does it take to screw in a light bulb? WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #20

Correction: Screw you(r own light bulb in)! Hydra Dec 2012 #46

Depends on the size of the light bulb Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #70

Well us commies know the difference......... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #22

What's the difference between your position and a Libertarian Socialist? Xithras Dec 2012 #23

Libertarian Socialism is pretty close to what I believe Taverner Dec 2012 #29

I think Anarcho-Syndicalism is a set of libertarian socialism. white_wolf Dec 2012 #31

So you're trying to define 'anarchism'. randome Dec 2012 #24

No - I am trying to define myself. Taverner Dec 2012 #26

Got it. Just curious. randome Dec 2012 #32

"All they do is bring down productivity" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #27

Because if a worker is concerned with productivity... Taverner Dec 2012 #33

Thats not what I want, no NoOneMan Dec 2012 #38

Indeed! immoderate Dec 2012 #53

Without a power structure threatening deprivation, or worse, this too is a self-correcting problem. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #83

I think there's a "zero work" strain of anarchism... Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #65

Anarcho-primitivism is more what I am referring to NoOneMan Dec 2012 #68

How many people will die in the process anarcho-primitivsm? white_wolf Dec 2012 #109

How many people die currently? NoOneMan Dec 2012 #122

I disagree with you. I think Democratic Socialism can use technology correctly. white_wolf Dec 2012 #135

No, thats not the framework Im looking at things from NoOneMan Dec 2012 #136

I believe that we are all aready our own authorities. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #30

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #34

I think you're describing a natural human instinct for not wanting to be bossed around by limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #39

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #41

Sorry, buddy. Doesn't work. sibelian Dec 2012 #40

How can you tolerate being bossed around without a plan change this? Taverner Dec 2012 #42

Well, sir, I don't like it. But... sibelian Dec 2012 #43

You found a good boss. Guess what? That great boss is a CO-WORKER!!! Taverner Dec 2012 #49

Ahhhhhh. sibelian Dec 2012 #58

Hey Taverner, Me Too... Tace Dec 2012 #47

Cheers! Taverner Dec 2012 #48

I've seen that sort of thing too easily gamed & the result was that those least equipped to deal patrice Dec 2012 #51

And all hell would break loose. babylonsister Dec 2012 #52

So you're saying that without the threat of punishment, you would somehow go berserk? n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #84

What do you think of Kropotkin's ideas then? Stargleamer Dec 2012 #54

I like Kropotkin Taverner Dec 2012 #56

Kropotkin was the guy who was anti-religion right? Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #62

Back then the church served the rich Taverner Dec 2012 #63

A friend of mine who may or may not be religious Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #69

Take me to your leader. Iggo Dec 2012 #55

Step into this sphere, you'll find him in the corner. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #74

Fuck Tha GA Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #60

I was an anarchist once, then I turned 14 CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #61

And became an anarcho-syndicalist? Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #78

Junior high gym classes sucked enough the first time around. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #66

As an egalitarian I have always liked the anarchist system. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #72

I used to be one of those Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #77

"I is a princess of chaos and I is VERY IMPORTANT and we wants Hell too! sibelian Dec 2012 #80

Quakers are leaderless quaker bill Dec 2012 #86

Excellent and interesting post. Thank you. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #88

Part of the problem with America right now woo me with science Dec 2012 #87

Well, you know what they say Leopolds Ghost Dec 2012 #89

Occupy. We have no leaders ~ We are all leaders. Zorra Dec 2012 #91

+1000 Taverner Dec 2012 #95

Where are you posting from? renie408 Dec 2012 #111

Lovely post. Thank you. woo me with science Dec 2012 #101

A lot of people have a difficult time wrapping their heads around this concept. Thanks for putting Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #116

Has Occupy brought about any change? wtmusic Dec 2012 #123

Your not an Anarchist, your Utopian . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #102

I'm both - so? Taverner Dec 2012 #104

See you in the next world where Humans don't elevate scum above orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #117

Or we gradually work twards the goal, expecting to see none of it in our lifetimes Taverner Dec 2012 #132

You mean like Bane advocated? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #107

Bane? you mean Batman Bane? white_wolf Dec 2012 #110

Meh, those who shun leaders are the first ones that want to lead. Javaman Dec 2012 #124

I am an Arachnist wtmusic Dec 2012 #125

All hail the spider god! Taverner Dec 2012 #133

why not move to Iraq? samsingh Dec 2012 #127

That's just stupid. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #129

not as stupid as wanting no leadership and wanting anarchy without understanding its consequences samsingh Dec 2012 #130

Wow...you need to get a dictonary bro Taverner Dec 2012 #131

okay - i'll do some reading samsingh Dec 2012 #134

Just remember that Anarchy is often confused with Nihilism n/t intaglio Dec 2012 #128

Or another way to put that chrisknight02 Jan 2013 #141

+1000....welcome to DU! Taverner Jan 2013 #142