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Moonwalk

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7. Yes, we humans are borrowers and thieves and mimics and nothing is new under the sun....
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:59 PM
Dec 2012

...is this your first time having that rather banal revelation? We get into much more heated arguments over this when it comes down to people who want tribal tattoo even though they don't know what it means, or, not too long ago, a huge brouhaha over the pic of an Occupy protester wearing a Palestinian scarf though he wasn't Palestinian. That's when such things really become a can-o-worms on the DU.

On the one hand, we give objects meaning, scared or otherwise, and when we do so, we expect others to either know that meaning and respect it, or not use it because they don't know what it means and so can't respect it. Like not wear a Native American headdress if one is not Native American and of rank to do so. On the other hand, we are perpetual shoppers at the human mall. When we see something we like, we want it and we hardly care if it has some other more important meaning. "Look! Featured headdress! Cool. I want one!" And alas for those who did invent it--or develop it, or whatever--and have put more meaning into it than it probably deserves, there is no saving anything from being stolen, reappropriated or transformed. Nature of the human beast.

What else is new? But you totally miss the point of WHY pagans are pointing out to Christians the roots of Christmas celebrations. There is a religious war in America going on. It's a war by fundies to turn everyone, by hook, crook or force, into a Christian. To make sure Christianity is preached in courthouses, public schools, and public parks, be it with ten commandments, creationism or manger scenes. And the one way Christians are doing this is by saying, "All this stuff you love about Christmas (Santa, trees, etc.) is ours and ours alone and if you want to enjoy it you have to be one of us." In other words, they use the liberal guilt that we'd use to keep that Occupy guy from wearing a Palestinian scarf ("you don't know what it means, don't wear it!&quot to get people into church. Want to have a Christmas tree? Go to church as only those who do have the right to have a christmas tree.

And THAT is why pagans and other are making what might seem to be mountains out of molehills. Because if we don't take these War-on-Christmas Fundies down peg after peg with facts, if we don't point out that they don't own any of this and if they want to be Christian they should enjoy none of it--rather than vice versa, then they will continue to do what they've been doing for the last twenty, right-wing-media years. Trick, bully, coerce, and try to shoehorn us into their theocracy. They will try to convince us that only their elite tribe is entitled to any of it, so we either join or do without.

Given those stakes, I hardly think that anyone is going even a "wee" bit over the top with all this talk of co-opting pagan rituals. If anything, I think we should be doing a hell of a lot more of it. Harder, meaner, and without an trace of mercy. The history of Fundie Christianity is one of ruthlessly driving religions into extinction not only with torture, fire, intimidation and force, but also by cannibalizing them, ingesting what rituals and gods they liked, so it all became Christian. I see no reason to show any fundie restraint or courtesy when their oh-so-obvious aim is to steal all the toys and claim that only they and those who play their game get to enjoy them. What is wrong and unfair is wrong and unfair, and I don't think we can scream loud enough or go far enough over the top in keeping them from doing this yet again, this time with the media at their backs rather than the inquisition.

Dammit, that's beautiful, Chris! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #1
I think all the talk comes LWolf Dec 2012 #2
When it comes down to it... WCGreen Dec 2012 #3
Very well put. TDale313 Dec 2012 #6
"It's the insistence that it be exclusive to them." 99Forever Dec 2012 #10
It really all goes back to Horus I believe. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
I finally watched Religulous last night Kolesar Dec 2012 #5
Yes, we humans are borrowers and thieves and mimics and nothing is new under the sun.... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #7
What you said... nt Bigmack Dec 2012 #9
Cultures develop, rise and decline... WCGreen Dec 2012 #11
Yep! You've got it. It's actually the same as......... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #13
Bravo!!!! Well Said! nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #28
Religion: humans' first invention and possible seed of humans' extirpation n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #8
Perfectly said. K/R RZM Dec 2012 #12
Surely we are human. And Borrowing from other religions is something we have done for centuries... Sivafae Dec 2012 #14
I just don't see it they way you do... WCGreen Dec 2012 #17
Wow....okay Marrah_G Dec 2012 #19
oversimplification datasuspect Dec 2012 #15
Sure I do... WCGreen Dec 2012 #21
Whatever it's called, it just makes sense: REP Dec 2012 #16
Well, they did and shed alot of blood doing it Marrah_G Dec 2012 #18
It's not about forgiving Christian behavior. WCGreen Dec 2012 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #20
One culture absorbing the practices of another = history. nt cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #22
its one thing to adopt and I love that idea. Its another thing to co-opt to kill another roguevalley Dec 2012 #24
The first Human Animal who looked up at the stars probably failed to.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #25
Religion is something humans do DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #26
All of which means, keep UG in Christmas!!! Squinch Dec 2012 #27
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