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Egalitarian Thug

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68. It's been many decades since an incredibly rare and valuable (not to mention archaic)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:40 AM

Dec 2012

Thompson was used in a crime. But I will bet you whatever you like that several crimes were committed just last night with any number of fully automatic pistols and rifles.

That Act made the legal ownership of full-auto weapons very difficult. Criminals aren't concerned with legally owning them, they just steal, buy, or modify them.

Don't you live in LA?

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A watered down, try-to-make-everyone-happy Assault Weapons Ban is worse than no ban. [View all] Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 OP

K&R (I vote for slag too) MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #1

I agree. A lot of the fun cultists have invested in his capable mags, and multiple assault weapons. Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

The time for placating gun nuts has passed etherealtruth Dec 2012 #3

If you make them "illegal and confiscatable," how do you propose to ENFORCE that law? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #4

I do not propose raids on legal gun owner's houses. I DO propose serious penalty for failure . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #6

I think you'd see such a law widely ignored, frankly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15

Oh, you'd see the hammer come down on minorities who ignore the ban, anywhere Recursion Dec 2012 #88

Same way we did here in Australia. TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #7

I have little doubt... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #10

You mean there is no barrier between gun owners and the rest of us now? Cooperation???? Hahahaha Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #16

Um...no, that's not what I meant at all. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #20

You also bought back all those now illegal guns hack89 Dec 2012 #11

I would vote for that Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #14

So how do you get all the criminals to turn in their weapons? hack89 Dec 2012 #17

Most mass shootings were done by guns owned by law abiding citizens Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #22

Yes, and...? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #24

In Australia, the assault weapons ban decreased gun-related murders by 59% Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #25

Are you claiming that nearly 60% of murders previously were committed by those weapons? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #26

There might be a link Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #29

Then that could possibly lead one to believe... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #31

We've had a larger decrease in gun murders over the same time period Recursion Dec 2012 #89

What about the other 95% of gun deaths that are not mass shootings? hack89 Dec 2012 #38

Probably over 99%, and they don't seem to count. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #39

Exactly shadowrider Dec 2012 #69

You know something. If you collectively really are... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #81

Well since a good many more of those deaths... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #80

No - most are murders hack89 Dec 2012 #83

Cops in schools is going to cost billions, billions per year in fact Fumesucker Dec 2012 #21

I would spend the money on physical security for school hack89 Dec 2012 #27

Then you're getting up into DoD level expenditures Fumesucker Dec 2012 #34

What other choice is there? hack89 Dec 2012 #37

FUCKING GROW UP AMERICA! /nt TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #82

My irony meter just blew up. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #84

This place is endlessly amusing, innit? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #90

You're wrong. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #41

You think? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #47

A fence would keep him away from the windows, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #51

But I thought putting bars on the door would be sufficient? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #52

Its done in courthouses and other govt buildings around the country HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #55

Certainly there are quite a few well secured buildings in the USA.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #59

There are any number of ways a school (continuing that example) could be attacked. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #63

All of the scenarios will require analysis and design by trained (expensive) personnel Fumesucker Dec 2012 #67

Would a lock on the classroom door have stopped someone with this much firepower? uppityperson Dec 2012 #54

It stopped him from entering classrooms that were locked. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #57

You didn't answer my question. Would a door lock stop someone with that much firepower? uppityperson Dec 2012 #58

The doors already have locks built in, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #61

Here is link: HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #62

A determined shooter will not waste time trying to shoot out a door lock shadowrider Dec 2012 #70

I agree 100%. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40

SO WHAT?? Iggy Dec 2012 #77

"Billions"? Try a hundred billion dollars, in all probability Xithras Dec 2012 #48

I dunno. If it's the only way to pass a stimulus... (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #87

Did that include a buy back program? Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #12

You also had a buy-back, at MSRP prices. X_Digger Dec 2012 #19

Different cultures bossy22 Dec 2012 #28

Maybe Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #30

You think that would be hard? Pass laws with penalities severe enough jmg257 Dec 2012 #44

Full autos are covered under the 1934 Gun Control Act nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5

It's been many decades since an incredibly rare and valuable (not to mention archaic) Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #68

fully automatic weapons are already banned and have been since 1934 cali Dec 2012 #8

No they are not banned. It is legal for most any law abiding adult to own one. Kaleva Dec 2012 #23

Yeah go to your local gun store and try and buy one in the same manner you would buy any gun. former9thward Dec 2012 #43

Nothing you say supports the statement that they are banned. Kaleva Dec 2012 #50

For the purposes of this debate they are effectively banned and you know it. former9thward Dec 2012 #73

Pretty close to what one has to do to get a Concealed Pistol License in Michigan Kaleva Dec 2012 #78

To buy a automatic weapon you need the signature of the Chief law enforcement person. former9thward Dec 2012 #79

Something I wouldn't have any trouble getting. Kaleva Dec 2012 #85

I live in a state where there are no rules for concealed carry (AZ). former9thward Dec 2012 #86

Interesting. I own a legal full auto. Now, tell me more about how these are "banned". OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #60

Interesting you are trying to mislead others about the availibilty of these weapons. former9thward Dec 2012 #72

Starting to take back the issue is the most important thing frazzled Dec 2012 #9

Absolutely. That's how it got this bad. Change the Conversation, quickly. libdem4life Dec 2012 #36

So have we been lied to the past 10 years about the AWB they have tried to pass? hack89 Dec 2012 #13

Yeah, actually, I think we have. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #18

This is why I think the meat of the AWB is actually the restriction on hi-cap magazines. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #33

The high-cap magazines are a red herring. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #45

What would you suggest? N/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #49

Suggestions: HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #53

What I'm interested in is the speed at which a particular weapon can send hot lead out the barrel. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #32

You do realize shadowrider Dec 2012 #71

I note in some of the replies, the same old gunnies arguing the same stale point graham4anything Dec 2012 #35

"If we "ban" only fully automatic weapons but allow semi automatics" former9thward Dec 2012 #42

At the federal level, machine guns were not banned, just heavily restricted. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #64

They are completely illegal in 13 states. former9thward Dec 2012 #74

I never claimed it was the same as any other gun. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #75

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #46

Regulate the ammo for these guns Kaleva Dec 2012 #56

Agreed. I want REAL gun control. No fig leaves Dems to Win Dec 2012 #65

Couldn't agree more. 99Forever Dec 2012 #66

An Assault Weapon Ban Alone is Worthless: Iggy Dec 2012 #76