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exboyfil

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8. Whether the person is LEO or National Guard
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:17 AM
Dec 2012

The cost is still on the order of $10B/yr. With National Guard you are also going to have to find substitutes when the Guard are supposed to be at training during the week. They will also have to be trained to be guards (National Guard is trained to be soldiers first - not the same thing at all).

In terms of a regulated pool of talent, they do make sense for consideration. Given what we ask from the Guard (and our active duty military service), I think having them near our children is a good thing.

Since the last public school shootings with fatalities we had before Sandy Hook were as follows:

Sandy Hook 12/12 - 26 killed
Chardon 2/12 - 3 killed
Weston 9/06 - 2 killed
Platte Canyon 9/06 - 2 killed
Essex Elementary 8/06 -2 killed
Red Lake 3/05 - 8 killed
Rocori 9/03 - 2 killed
Red Lion 4/03 - 2 killed
Santana 3/01 - 2 killed
Columbine 4/99 - 15 killed

Presupposing that the guard would have stopped all of these shootings (which is not necessarily a good assumption since the numbers include the suicide at the school as well).

In other words if we had been spending $10B/yr in today's dollars after Columbine, each life would have cost approximately $4B to protect (assuming 100% effectiveness). Many of the 2 killed include a suicide so chances are those would not have been effective either.




Lunacy. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #1
Actually no, she isn't n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #6
Apparently not. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #17
Sheer demagoguery and really beneath the Boxer I knew coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #34
If Fiorina won in '10, she would've written a bill with LaPierre's speech verbatim. alp227 Dec 2012 #65
No doubt. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #69
C'mon, Barbara. That's just insane. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #2
pathetic cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #3
what an idiot. They did such a great job at Kent State still_one Dec 2012 #4
this is a dumb analogy. Smearing an entire group over one incident that is unrelated any way reeks graham4anything Dec 2012 #7
........... Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #19
No it was not intended as a smear. When you have a military force mixed with civilians, there is still_one Dec 2012 #30
then we can train 100,000 or a million to do just so(but of course strong background checks needed) graham4anything Dec 2012 #44
I agree with the background checks, but spending money for training a police force to guard our still_one Dec 2012 #48
LBJ lied to the American people repeatedly and with malice aforethought about coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #35
Irrelevant. LBJ would have beat Nixon both before and after Bobby graham4anything Dec 2012 #42
I can't argue with run-on sentences and sentence fragments. Who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52
the Democrats who let a wedge issue get in the way and caused the republicans to win in 1968 graham4anything Dec 2012 #55
Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #62
I used the phrase 'malice aforethought' with reason, as the tape recordings coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #72
Yes, FEDERAL guards would be a good thing. FEDERAL FEDERAL FEDERAL graham4anything Dec 2012 #5
Nominated for most insane post of the week. Whovian Dec 2012 #16
LOL then write it better graham4anything Dec 2012 #18
..... Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #63
What!! JohLast Dec 2012 #21
True, and they are a reserve military force, whose function was never intended, and should not be still_one Dec 2012 #32
Don't Stop Him Now..... Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #64
OMFG, you are actually seriously advocating putting the Guard in schools. I thought coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #37
Whether the person is LEO or National Guard exboyfil Dec 2012 #8
There was a guard at Columbine n/t intaglio Dec 2012 #12
True exboyfil Dec 2012 #14
Nutty. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author aandegoons Dec 2012 #10
Wow mooooorrreee guuunnnns. aandegoons Dec 2012 #11
They could work as recruiters too! PuraVidaDreamin Dec 2012 #13
Unfortunately, prior military experience is actually a risk factor for gun violence. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #15
Soldiers are trained to Kill, not protect. formercia Dec 2012 #23
I'm almost certain, they lack specific training to protect classrooms of children HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #28
Nutty it may be, but it would be more in keeping with the intent of the National Guard... AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #20
Why just schools? How about malls and movie theaters and playgrounds and soccer fields Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #22
Better yet, train EVERY adult to be a police officer.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #26
Mandatory military service is a possibility Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #47
I was around the last time we tried the draft...it wasn't very popular to say the least.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #50
that was selective service. not everyone had to serve Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #58
But EVERYONE "participated" in the selection process whether you wanted to or not.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #60
I would be increasing earned benefits Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #68
Have you ever been in the military? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #71
That is not as crazy as deploying them to Iraq or Afghanistan. milestogo Dec 2012 #24
Why don't we just cut to the chase? Build schools like prisons! n2doc Dec 2012 #25
Freaking nuts is right BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #27
Weak.... Iggy Dec 2012 #29
. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #31
I can only hope that this is some ultra sophisticated facetious hyperbole. MindPilot Dec 2012 #33
Well, they are union busters... Brickbat Dec 2012 #36
What the fuck? Marrah_G Dec 2012 #38
Make a school a prison and students will act like prisoners. Fearless Dec 2012 #39
An OK strategic move treestar Dec 2012 #40
Instead of all of this, wouldn't Dash87 Dec 2012 #41
Hey Boxer... 99Forever Dec 2012 #43
she should also include National Guards for ... shireen Dec 2012 #45
Senator Boxer has a short memory. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #46
Dumb, dumb, dumb duffyduff Dec 2012 #49
Fuckedy fuck.. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #51
Do away with schools, have TV or Computer classes at home. julian09 Dec 2012 #53
^^^^There it is^^^^ 99Forever Dec 2012 #56
Lunacy... Bennyboy Dec 2012 #54
What a depressing disappointment. nt LWolf Dec 2012 #57
National Guard.... what could go wrong...? Bigmack Dec 2012 #59
Wonder if this is her version BumRushDaShow Dec 2012 #61
Insanity. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #66
Having security at schools, on principle alone, does not bother me- cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #67
Totally absolutely RIDICULOUS & FUCKING NUTZ!!! nt Raine Dec 2012 #70
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