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HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
87. Would you like some numbers?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:09 PM
Dec 2012

Gun deaths, in total? Over 30K. Of that, about 60% are suicides. I don't know how many suicide deaths are with legally owned guns vs. illegally owned guns. But I knew 5 suicide victims...2 jumpers, 2 ODs, and one hanging. Only 2 could be called predictible, ie: chronic depression and previous attempts. None owned a gun to my knowledge, but the lack of a gun didn't stop them.
Homicides- the majority happen in the commission of other crimes...robbery, etc...by convicted felons who aren't allowed guns anyway. Most of these weapons are handguns, convicted felons don't walk around with unconcealable rifles, for the most part. Since they are already disobeying the law, the case can't be made that they will decide to follow any new laws. So reducing that aspect of gun homicides (remember, it's the majority) is going to involve keeping those criminals off the streets (which is already being done by minimum sentencing and other laws, with some success), and by stemming the flow of guns onto the streets - which can probably have some success by restricting private sales, which hasn't been tried yet.

this article makes me queasy. cali Dec 2012 #1
Exactly. HappyMe Dec 2012 #4
I agree - lots of assumptions flying_wahini Dec 2012 #6
Yes. Mass Dec 2012 #7
the article makes me angry Enrique Dec 2012 #10
Not only that, the OP tries to pass off obvious conjecture as "logical conclusions" Major Nikon Dec 2012 #34
Agreed. n/t agracie Dec 2012 #22
That's what I was thinking...Sounds like a bunch of recycled rumors we've all heard before. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #60
same here... spanone Dec 2012 #102
Nancy Lanza was not a teacher... DonViejo Dec 2012 #103
You've drawn a pretty extreme conclusion The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #2
No, I've drawn a logical conclusion lbrtbell Dec 2012 #5
there is notthing whatsoever logical cali Dec 2012 #17
Your conclusion is absolute drivel. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #38
"Drivel" Puglover Dec 2012 #41
I certainly am not going to judge unless I was in her shoes adigal Dec 2012 #77
i agree deek Dec 2012 #113
Read an article that said she was planning a move to Washington State and making JaneyVee Dec 2012 #3
His father supported his family well lbrtbell Dec 2012 #11
You're wrong. Very wrong. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #50
Is it known now that she left the guns unlocked? ZombieMan Dec 2012 #82
According to the article above forthemiddle Dec 2012 #91
So you just believe it because you read it?! 80-10-10 raw vegan Dec 2012 #96
"Motive" my ass. Sometimes crazy is just crazy. Nice try blaming the mom. txwhitedove Dec 2012 #8
Bigoted is just bigoted lbrtbell Dec 2012 #12
I have tremendous compassion for the mentally ill. My mother was mentally ill. Fine, she put it txwhitedove Dec 2012 #18
Wow, glad you've identified your monster. (nt) enough Dec 2012 #9
There is no "monster" lbrtbell Dec 2012 #13
"The world isn't all black and white" kdmorris Dec 2012 #19
mine too obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #108
Way to go screaming half cocked off a cliff! lunatica Dec 2012 #14
Hey, blame the victim! XemaSab Dec 2012 #15
read "I am Adam Lanza's mother" Enrique Dec 2012 #16
It may have passed unnoticed by you dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #20
Dismissed by whom? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #32
Search using the title and the authors name. dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #97
You're the one who made the claim. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #98
I don't need to dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #99
i second that 'dismissed by whom' mopinko Dec 2012 #37
They seem to be recycling.. Disgraceland Dec 2012 #21
Most of the OP was just made up by the OP poster. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #42
When you've raised a mentally ill child, come back and post this same thing. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #23
Possibly said first by the inventor of the sandwich muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #53
Talk about shoddy journalism, this article takes arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #24
Wow - dump all responsibility on the mom - that's cute. kstewart33 Dec 2012 #25
Being 'completely nuts' is treatable. randome Dec 2012 #27
Thank you. Myrina Dec 2012 #29
Not all forms of mental illness are treatable Major Nikon Dec 2012 #36
Of course. randome Dec 2012 #43
I think some sort of coherent picture will develop eventually Major Nikon Dec 2012 #44
and you know this from experience? Please explain to me how to get an adult "committed" libdem4life Dec 2012 #54
I don't know from experience. randome Dec 2012 #63
She did not fail to notice...she was making plans to take him to Washington for care. libdem4life Dec 2012 #72
This is scary jehop61 Dec 2012 #26
Thank you! chewygalacticcenter. Dec 2012 #59
A tragedy with so few details, or conflicting details.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105
That pretty much sums it up. randome Dec 2012 #107
You seem to have no compassion. . . Springslips Dec 2012 #28
Yet the school district has denied that she worked or volunteered there. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #30
Is this real or the latest media concoction to fill a slowing news stream ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
Baseless speculation, blaming the mother, this is really low. yardwork Dec 2012 #33
I'd say a bit-o-background might be emerging.. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #35
Oh, and the state trooper during a presser recently said chewygalacticcenter. Dec 2012 #61
Yes, there are a lot of contradictions. nt HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #69
Oh well that's nice gollygee Dec 2012 #39
The source of that speculation is a local pastor's son. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40
And remember the "people at the bar" chewygalacticcenter. Dec 2012 #62
And the landscaper, who had never been in the house. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #68
Oh yah, more bullshit from the rag press TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #45
So much for logical conclusions and compassion Major Nikon Dec 2012 #47
Wow! She kept her guns raquel69 Dec 2012 #94
the basement was huge TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #100
Um, not to quibble too much but how is a gun safe secured? randome Dec 2012 #101
like I said TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #111
Considering Blaming the Victim... this might take the cake. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #46
thank you green for victory Dec 2012 #64
You say you have 'compassion' for the mentally ill, but judging from your OP, I doubt coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #48
Where's your condemnation of the father in all this?... TeeYiYi Dec 2012 #49
Ban all guns of any type and all bullets. It was the gun that did this. And blame Ralph Nader graham4anything Dec 2012 #51
I agree. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #71
After the shooting at the Amish School in 2006 Cerridwen Dec 2012 #52
She deserves a lot of blame just for owning a military weapon. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #55
As Americans, we don't do complicated DefenseLawyer Dec 2012 #56
You forgot god, women's rights, the dad.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #109
Seek help. Seriously. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #57
That was my impression as well arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #65
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #58
Sorry, "she made him do it" doesn't fly. MadrasT Dec 2012 #66
But she's a mom! gollygee Dec 2012 #67
I don't buy it... frostfern Dec 2012 #70
It appears to me there's a lot of speculation in your post. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #74
MUST DEFLECT FROM FIREARMS BEING USED IN A MASS MURDER. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #73
Because no one commits mass muder... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #75
They do but much, MUCH less frequently. randome Dec 2012 #76
Both killed more than Sandy Hook, however. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #78
Good point gollygee Dec 2012 #81
And propane, fertilizer, and lighter fluid? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #84
Fertilizer Purchases - monitored since OK; Molotov Cocktails- a bigger threat to public safety than Pachamama Dec 2012 #79
Yes, gasoline is an easily obtained weapon. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #86
So easy. You make it so easy. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #80
Would you like some numbers? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #87
MUST REDIRECT TO MY FAVORITE PET THEORY ON THE CRIME customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #90
Adam's classmates say you couldn't pry words out of him BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #83
Yes, it's a mystery. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #95
Where is the unrec button when you need it? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #85
This supports my theory customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #88
I have nothing but anger and contempt for Nancy Lanza. She didn't get rid of the GUNS!! Dems to Win Dec 2012 #89
I want to know raquel69 Dec 2012 #92
looks like a post at FreeRepublic, few facts, and alot of assumsions putitinD Dec 2012 #93
You are blaming the mother CitizenPatriot Dec 2012 #104
100% BS obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #106
If this was true, then I'd expect it would have emerged within 2 days of the shooting, not 2 weeks ShadowLiberal Dec 2012 #110
"That woman"? Let's not forget Lanza had TWO parents. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #112
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