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58. Holy Fuck, I'm so sick of people who dont know shit about guns, talking about guns
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:49 AM
Dec 2012

Guns are deadly and there needs to be something done to try to help prevent another mass shooting, but we also need educated people proposing policies and not people who are scared of big black guns and who know the terminology and specifics about the guns they aim to regulate.

There is a huge difference between the spray and pray of a fully automatic and a semi automatic.

But what the fuck do I know, I only worked in federal investigations after receiving advanced criminal justice degrees. I've been range qualified and trained on numerous firearms ranging from fully auto IDF Uzi to handguns to training on US Capitol Police sniper rifles.

I am not a gun nut, but I own several which are locked safely away. I am in favor of closing the gun show loopholes and reigning in the influence of the NRA.

I hope that something will be done to help prevent violence, but hyperbolic hang wringing and overreaction doesnt help our side.

On Edit:

It helps give your argument added strength when you speak from a position of knowledge on a subject. It also helps you to not fling hyperbole at the side you are debating against. If we advocate gun control we need to do so from a position of intelligence with advanced research and statistics on our side, not hyperbolic statements and fear based rhetoric (that's how repukes operate, with fear and loathing).

Thank you

"there is essentially no difference between an automatic weapon and a semi-auto" former-republican Dec 2012 #1
you are very good at copying and pasting farminator3000 Dec 2012 #6
I'm not going to go through the mechanical design of how a firearm operates former-republican Dec 2012 #11
i know how guns work farminator3000 Dec 2012 #12
Your statement is they are both the same , automatic and semi-automatic former-republican Dec 2012 #13
we are talking about changing the law to make it better farminator3000 Dec 2012 #15
sweet! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #16
There is only one difference intaglio Dec 2012 #19
They are not they are called semi automatic former-republican Dec 2012 #63
Oh goody, I wanted you to lie about this intaglio Dec 2012 #80
What you fail to understand is that to non-gun fanatics, the detail of the design is unimportant. pnwmom Dec 2012 #30
nice! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #125
Why do you think I would need a gun like Lanza's to defend myself? pnwmom Dec 2012 #127
i'm talking 'you' as in 'a person' farminator3000 Dec 2012 #130
Are you a mechanical engineer? XRubicon Dec 2012 #185
Here's a semiautomatic weapon being fired RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25
Are the bullets less lethal? 99Forever Dec 2012 #32
I saw that video Aerows Dec 2012 #36
100% legal. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #38
Did you see that video Aerows Dec 2012 #37
The ATF can ban that stock in a heartbeat NickB79 Dec 2012 #105
check this out farminator3000 Dec 2012 #126
Because they are cowards nakocal Dec 2012 #128
I agree completely. Both are of interest to gun cultists because they are so deadly. Hoyt Dec 2012 #2
Prepare to be "educated" by the DU gun lobby in 3..2..1.. Hugabear Dec 2012 #3
they all love their cars, too. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #8
Gun-huggers love inanimate machines of death more than they love human beings. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #26
You are correct, sir! flying_wahini Dec 2012 #47
Pretty sad, isn't it? CTyankee Dec 2012 #181
If it shoots more than one round at a time tblue Dec 2012 #4
By definition semi-automatics do not. Kurska Dec 2012 #7
For the purposes of this conversation it does not bettyellen Dec 2012 #9
ANY gun can be rapid fired by someone with practice hobbit709 Dec 2012 #40
I trust that guy Aerows Dec 2012 #45
Pointing out an obvious fact gets you called a gun supporter? hobbit709 Dec 2012 #50
LOL Aerows Dec 2012 #52
I know the difference hobbit709 Dec 2012 #53
This is a serious subject Aerows Dec 2012 #54
if you play NRA word games to divert the conversation, you will appear to be a supporter bettyellen Dec 2012 #65
One word for these people: LOSERS! CTyankee Dec 2012 #182
... Major Nikon Dec 2012 #49
OK. Any gun made after about 1860 hobbit709 Dec 2012 #51
... Major Nikon Dec 2012 #56
How long do you want to quibble semantics while others accuse us of being frivolous? hobbit709 Dec 2012 #60
So pointing out obvious facts is now quibbling semantics? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #62
just make it even MORE sarcastic! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #129
They don't Aerows Dec 2012 #42
So getting the basic definition right of what you want to regulate is optional? Kurska Dec 2012 #95
It'll be dead easy advocating for the most stringent gun regulations possible- I'm not the bettyellen Dec 2012 #98
So you don't have to understand it now you'll understand it when there is "great analysis" Kurska Dec 2012 #152
I understand that 90% talking guns specs are avoiding productive conversation bettyellen Dec 2012 #161
You are absolutely right, bettyellen. There can be plenty of gun experts on our side to CTyankee Dec 2012 #179
do you think the NRA is completely ignorant about guns? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #10
Well you tell me the difference exboyfil Dec 2012 #14
Bump fire Kurska Dec 2012 #96
i'm just pasting this because you people all say the same things farminator3000 Dec 2012 #131
This guy can put a .223 on target pretty effectively exboyfil Dec 2012 #163
I think basic knowledge of any subject should be required Lordquinton Dec 2012 #17
who is "they"? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #132
They are the ones who expect anyone in a gun conversation Lordquinton Dec 2012 #162
gotcha! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #168
No one has to have basic knowledge of auto mechanics to propose speed limits. pnwmom Dec 2012 #33
Do you understand that cars run on gasoline, because that is about the same Kurska Dec 2012 #97
Silly me. I thought some cars ran on electric batteries. So what? pnwmom Dec 2012 #103
I don't generally classify inanimate objects as good or evil. Kurska Dec 2012 #154
and again farminator3000 Dec 2012 #133
Tapping a finger is a lot easier than pulling a trigger Kurska Dec 2012 #155
It's not a difference that matters in this situation. pnwmom Dec 2012 #158
I'm trying to think of a gun or rifle that shoots more than one round at a time. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #23
Yes, they all have only barrel. (Except for "Gatling Gun-style" Miniguns Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #55
I'm assuming you hunt LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #59
I live near Chippewa Falls, but have hunted quite a bit of the northwestern Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #66
k I'm originally from the Baraboo area LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #72
Yup, from the time I was a kid we had a lot of women hunting with us. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #75
My grandmother did all of the poultry and my mother would help out. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #79
by "at a time" he means "every time you pull the trigger" farminator3000 Dec 2012 #134
I like the shmuzxi nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5
thanks farminator3000 Dec 2012 #193
You do know regular citizens can, and do, legally own fully automatic weapons. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #18
So this isn't true? Progressive dog Dec 2012 #20
They can own machineguns, no? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #21
You know who else is big on quoting dicta from SCOTUS decisions? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #43
That's like saying a bike is the same as a motorcycle lbrtbell Dec 2012 #22
No, it really isn't. Wathc this man firing a SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapon RomneyLies Dec 2012 #27
So if you can ride a bicycle down a steep hill, it can become a motorcycle? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #83
. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #87
That's a modified rifle lbrtbell Dec 2012 #166
learn how to make comparisons farminator3000 Dec 2012 #136
stop making the magazines Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #24
These guns are luxury items horsedoc Dec 2012 #28
Then don't ... problem solved Mec9000 Dec 2012 #31
you are cool farminator3000 Dec 2012 #137
Great. I don't want to hear the facts. I want to make policy based on my fantasies. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #29
You've convinced me. No new legislation can be achieved RomneyLies Dec 2012 #35
More nonsense? You will pardon me if I put you on ignore. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #41
Ah, I've hurt your delicate feelings. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #44
Already done.. SQUEE Dec 2012 #187
You don't need understanding of the mechanics of guns to understand the effect pnwmom Dec 2012 #39
Partailly agree. You do need to know how and what to regulate. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #46
so all politicians, urban designers, and architects can change a carb or tranny on a car? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #139
Not what I said. So that don't fly either. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #165
what you said was farminator3000 Dec 2012 #188
and there's no reason to split hairs before we see what BO is proposing. It's an attempt to shut bettyellen Dec 2012 #73
Right. Their superior technical knowledge counts for very little. pnwmom Dec 2012 #78
Exactly. I'm kind of sad how impressive or important they think their tech knowledge is when bettyellen Dec 2012 #94
This is what it was like trying to debate Washingtons Cannabis Decrim law green for victory Dec 2012 #48
I don't see the connection. But with regard to that OP, pnwmom Dec 2012 #90
please explain how your understanding is better just because you own a gun farminator3000 Dec 2012 #138
There is essentially no difference between LOSING HOUSE SEATS IN 1994 AND 2014. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34
It's different electorate now, the NRA will get the same surprise Romney did MightyMopar Dec 2012 #70
I don't care about the NRA. Not at all. But if your use of the NRA works for you as a bogeyman, AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #74
Make them stand against it and defend their extremism in the next election MightyMopar Dec 2012 #76
Ironically, that is what will happen to Democratic politicians as it did in 1994. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #84
because winning is pointless if they don't represent our core values. bettyellen Dec 2012 #99
THE nra HUFFED AND PUFFED IN THE 2012 ELECTION AND GOT IT'S ASS WHIPPED, THE FUTURE IS AGAINST THEM MightyMopar Dec 2012 #108
true, the electorate looks a lot different than it did 8- 12 years ago. THANK GOD. bettyellen Dec 2012 #119
oh, so gun laws are the only factor in who gets elected? the most important one? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #141
um farminator3000 Dec 2012 #142
Strom Thurmond was a Democrat. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #86
No. You misrepresent the basis for my position. Why am I not suprised? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #89
You were the one basing an argument of a faulty supposition. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #91
When someone says "Why am I NOT suprised?" that means that they are NOT SURPRISED. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #104
the difference is 20 years farminator3000 Dec 2012 #140
I've been thinking the same thing about semi vs auto weapons Ligyron Dec 2012 #57
well said farminator3000 Dec 2012 #143
Holy Fuck, I'm so sick of people who dont know shit about guns, talking about guns NightWatcher Dec 2012 #58
thank you Duckhunter935 Dec 2012 #61
who makes the regulations? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #145
Most intelligent DU post on the topic I have seen since, well since forever. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #67
how can it be intelligent? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #146
Excellent. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #164
wow. i didn't know that. can you explain this too? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #186
I can't explain it nor would I try. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #192
well there you have it, in good old MA! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #195
I find the MA licensing process very reasonable. But I would guess that 75% of the country geckosfeet Dec 2012 #196
and it WORKS!! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #201
It works in its way, given that it is patchwork of overlapping and contradictory regulations. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #202
just like marijuana laws with the fed/state thing farminator3000 Dec 2012 #205
Tough shit. I don't need to know the technical lingo and specs to YOUR satisfaction buddy in order bettyellen Dec 2012 #71
You (group you) are not being faulted for you lack of vocabulary. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #85
um, how about not diverting the conversation with picky gun nerd bullshit like the NRA does? bettyellen Dec 2012 #92
How about adding to the conversation by contributing something other ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #106
Ha ha. I think it's the pro gun wack jobs who are angered right now. I am thrilled they tipped their bettyellen Dec 2012 #111
There have been no surprises here except for the vitriol and ignorance ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #113
well, the gungeoneers were let loose, so what did you expect? bettyellen Dec 2012 #114
The gungeoneers were always loose ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #116
post an example and say why it is ignorant please farminator3000 Dec 2012 #148
that's a really impressive entrance to the thread there farminator3000 Dec 2012 #147
Actually you need some information to intelligently interact ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #100
I thought the OP was a parody of the gun geekery? It's really hard to say- I've never seen so bettyellen Dec 2012 #112
No, its hyperbolic rant ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #115
I guess some people do not realize when they're being parodied. bettyellen Dec 2012 #117
definition of rant for your perusal professor farminator3000 Dec 2012 #170
the headline is absolutely serious farminator3000 Dec 2012 #150
again farminator3000 Dec 2012 #149
what more do you need to know than they are both really way too dangerous? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #144
There's a huge difference also between a nuclear bomb and a hydrogen bomb. pnwmom Dec 2012 #160
you're cool! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #171
Thank you, farminator3000! pnwmom Dec 2012 #175
not sure if that was directed at me or everybody who wants more gun laws? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #167
And we're so sick of people like YOU. CTyankee Dec 2012 #183
More cluelessness and "I don't want facts to interfere with my screed" ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #64
Is there a significant difference rrneck Dec 2012 #68
The video of Bolstad looks like he could have been a Saxon. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #88
Wow, you are really uninformed. Drahthaardogs Dec 2012 #69
please spare us the gun geekery. bettyellen Dec 2012 #81
Facts matter, and the OP is at best ignorant ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #102
You have to know your subject before you can talk about it Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #107
I already know I will support the strongest and most sensible measures possible. bettyellen Dec 2012 #110
here is one post from this thread where an anti-gun person understands exactly what i mean farminator3000 Dec 2012 #172
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #93
Douchemaster! ROFL! MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #77
If you don't want to be bothered with facts, fine REP Dec 2012 #82
big difference? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #157
There are something like 300 million guns in the US NickB79 Dec 2012 #109
few are advocating a ban any time soon. bettyellen Dec 2012 #118
The OP did so in his title statement NickB79 Dec 2012 #121
the OP was exaggerating for effect, and now you are too bettyellen Dec 2012 #123
Why do you think the OP was exaggerating for effect? NickB79 Dec 2012 #124
not exaggerating farminator3000 Dec 2012 #174
more like 250 million Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #120
We have to remember Berserker Dec 2012 #151
why do you need 30 bullets to shoot a deer? sportsmanship is no longer a concept? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #159
Why does people always relate it to hunting... Mec9000 Dec 2012 #169
guns are used for hunting at times? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #191
Nominated for "most ignorant and uninformed" post of the year... Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #122
and again farminator3000 Dec 2012 #153
I disagree. Rex Dec 2012 #135
did i say BAN? i meant BANG! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #156
Sounds reasonable to me. I can't think of a valid reason Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #173
"Fun to shoot" is a valid reason. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #176
And I suppose you might need one for the zombie apocalypse, too. Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #177
They even make ammo for it! ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #178
THANK YOU!! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #197
They don't need a reason to exercise their Constitutional rights TransitJohn Dec 2012 #204
Good .. sendero Dec 2012 #180
noooooo! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #198
give it up, never going to happen. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #184
you mean "thought of disarming" farminator3000 Dec 2012 #199
OP rejects knowledge so simple answer is zero probability all semi-automatics will be banned. nt jody Dec 2012 #189
The difference is how long it takes to eat up your wallet. ileus Dec 2012 #190
Trolls on both sides of the issue. flvegan Dec 2012 #194
Actually, there is a big difference. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #200
Well, no difference if words in English have no meaning, anyway. TransitJohn Dec 2012 #203
there are definitions that aren't in the dictionary farminator3000 Dec 2012 #206
Ok then, TransitJohn Dec 2012 #207
try this definition if you can manage to stick with it the whole way thru-i like the last part farminator3000 Dec 2012 #208
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