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7. Since you ask....

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:41 PM

Dec 2012

Several solid body shots with 12 ga slugs would knock him down, or buckshot rounds to the head or face would probably distract him.

Alternatively, buckshot to the legs could easily throw him off and damage to either femoral artery would kill him in a matter of minutes.

Handguns, on the other hand, would require more precise aim and would have both a greater danger of harming others and of missing altogether or just pissing him off more.

Not advocating for any of this, but if you're going to ask a technical question you need to be prepared for answers.

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Adam Lanza was wearing a bulletproof vest. How could armed teachers have stopped him? [View all] AZ Progressive Dec 2012 OP

Shoot him in the face? MrSlayer Dec 2012 #1

Sure, you could try that. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #2

The OP asked how it could be done. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #12

Zimmerman was a coward too.And a member of a security force when he shot & killed Mr. Martin graham4anything Dec 2012 #30

I think we've gone off the rails here. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #33

By suggesting armed guards at all schools Hugabear Dec 2012 #39

I didn't suggest anything. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #57

I don't think that there are enough "real pros" to place an armed guard in every single school. yardwork Dec 2012 #69

I agree with that. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #75

Why do people forget that, I wonder jmowreader Dec 2012 #55

Zimmy wasn't funny. He killed an unarmed man. graham4anything Dec 2012 #92

I must point out three things here jmowreader Dec 2012 #124

We do not know his motivation for stopping the exboyfil Dec 2012 #112

I don't want this. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #133

Who pays for training and arming thucythucy Dec 2012 #128

Ideally it would be the government. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #132

My husband was a cop for a dozen years and my dad MANative Dec 2012 #23

Hell, if a few kids or teachers get killed, it's worth it, right? randome Dec 2012 #27

as opposed to 20 some kids and teachers being killed dlwickham Dec 2012 #43

Except for the teacher who kills a kid accidentally when trying to kill a shooter..... peacebird Dec 2012 #54

and that's why they should have trained guards/cops/whatever dlwickham Dec 2012 #93

Who gets to decide what child dies tomorrow? rustydog Dec 2012 #82

Thank you...that was my take on it too. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #29

Ok, my dad was also a cop and a sharpshooter. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #38

The Aurora Shooter was wearing a Ballistic Helmet AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #4

I know he was. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #5

If you are in a panic, do you really think you can accurately shoot someone's head? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #8

Absolutely. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #24

really, dude? you're smarter than this. frylock Dec 2012 #32

Ok, never mind. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #41

have you ever fired a gun? frylock Dec 2012 #61

Yes, many times. And not really, not to hit anyone anyway. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #73

Watch this video of a police station getting exboyfil Dec 2012 #113

I used to do pretty decently at the range, but am now long out of practice... JHB Dec 2012 #134

Cops are well-trained, or are supposed to be. MineralMan Dec 2012 #52

It's all hypothetical. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #62

LaPierre is proposing a volunteer corps of guards for schools, MineralMan Dec 2012 #64

That's a terrible idea. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #81

Well, that's the NRA's idea for what to do. MineralMan Dec 2012 #120

see these guys? MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #67

And there you have it. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #72

and according to the NRA MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #96

That's 99% of the problem NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #90

With people coming and going all the time in a school, what is it you imagine happening? randome Dec 2012 #20

No. Of course not. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #44

Then shoot him in the foot, either way, he won't be going anywhere. 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #15

You really think someone can think reasonably in such a panicful situation? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #25

i bet you could plug him in the eye from 50 meters behind the back.. frylock Dec 2012 #34

Are you kidding? you've never been in a shooting situation have you rustydog Dec 2012 #89

Actually, yes I have. 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #141

Standard training is double tap center of mass and reevaluate. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #11

Why? MrSlayer Dec 2012 #31

I am taking into account what you are not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #36

So there is no way anyone could have done anything? MrSlayer Dec 2012 #66

A shotgun might knock you off your feet nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #71

I'm with you on that 100%. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #83

Actually much of my initial training was to engage Spetsnaz in a Nuclear Physical Security situtaion SQUEE Dec 2012 #99

the toes, go for the toes. spanone Dec 2012 #26

and we have a winner! dlwickham Dec 2012 #42

But you are taught to aim at center mass Rex Dec 2012 #46

And what was that point? MrSlayer Dec 2012 #104

Because getting shot in the torso when you're in body armor still knocks you out Recursion Dec 2012 #3

The North Hollywood shooters were shot multiple times AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #6

i think you discount the affects of adrenalin frylock Dec 2012 #130

Since you ask.... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #7

Your asking police and security guards to be armed with shotguns when on guard? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #14

OK, just a second, OK? You asked a question and got an answer.... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #37

They already do this in schools, have been since the 1980s. Rex Dec 2012 #50

I believe the cops in the schools to which you refer Toronto Dec 2012 #58

Typical "did not comprehend the reply" response. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #144

So basically those kids are just SOL if one of those dudes gets in there? budkin Dec 2012 #9

That appears to be the consensus. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #47

An armed teacher could have shot the gun out of his hand MindPilot Dec 2012 #10

No - they could have used deadly ping pong balls NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #22

In all Chuck Norris's hostage rescues, the gunmen usually stop, hold still, and look around helpless Bucky Dec 2012 #94

well actually, the answer is obvious. Teachers need grenades and/or tear gas. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #136

Hwacha talkin' bout, Wampus? Bucky Dec 2012 #138

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #13

You bring a bullet proof vest to a shooting contest, we bring a tank. randome Dec 2012 #16

I am not joking that I would rather have a drone waiting for the mass murderer than 1 more kid graham4anything Dec 2012 #95

Rifle bullets go through vests. nt napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #17

Armed teachers would be able to draw a rifle fast enough! AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #21

The chalk rail would make a great gun rack obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #28

I say we give em fully auto weapons boston bean Dec 2012 #45

this made me lol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #77

I hope you don't think I'm saying teachers should carry rifles. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #85

Cops arrived on the scene of Columbine NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #18

One misconception about columbine.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #49

There was an initial confrontation with the police NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #84

Right.. today, police (and assuming SROs) would engage and stay engaged. X_Digger Dec 2012 #103

When you read the detailed description of the shootings you are begging..... Logical Dec 2012 #106

Yes and in at least two cases exboyfil Dec 2012 #117

Obviously, make sniper training a prerequisite to teacher cert. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #19

Give teachers grenades! WinkyDink Dec 2012 #35

Columbine High School Had Armed Guards During Massacre In 1999 AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #40

Well, 60 yards is a very long shot with a handgun. Glassunion Dec 2012 #60

Well, if that's where he was relative to the shooters what was he supposed to do onenote Dec 2012 #91

I'm sorry. Glassunion Dec 2012 #114

And maybe the armed security guard, who probably doesn't get a whole lot of shooting practice, pnwmom Dec 2012 #48

Standard training calls for aiming at the center of mass. MineralMan Dec 2012 #51

I've Yet to See A Bulletproof Vest Iggy Dec 2012 #53

Wait a minute, you don't expect the gunman to shoot back? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #125

Another Fantasy Lander Iggy Dec 2012 #139

The answer is obvious WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #56

The Audio Visual Team's job just got a lot harder... Glassunion Dec 2012 #63

Pffft use a light saber, cuts right through em (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #59

I'm confused. I read the article, is body armor a bad thing? Glassunion Dec 2012 #65

It probably wouldn't be a bad thing if not just anybody could buy one. WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #70

"What does your average civilian really need one for?" Glassunion Dec 2012 #79

So do you wear one every time you leave the house? WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #86

maybe you missed his point. Zimmerman. Logical Dec 2012 #107

I didn't miss his point. Did you miss mine? WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #109

A hoodie or a vest? Glassunion Dec 2012 #115

When you are putting yourself in a situation where it's reasonable to think there could be trouble WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #116

Reasonable? I don't see why not. Glassunion Dec 2012 #118

Many years ago, I used to compete in pistol competitions. MineralMan Dec 2012 #68

The NRA is crazy. All kinds of crazy. Taverner Dec 2012 #74

Arm them with rocket launchers. Duh! TheManInTheMac Dec 2012 #76

A teacher's body has a way to shut that whole think down! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #78

DUzy! wickerwoman Dec 2012 #100

There you go thinking again!!!! rustydog Dec 2012 #80

Somehow he walked from the parking lot to the school with 3 guns...apparently one that didn't libdem4life Dec 2012 #87

And you think that the killers are stupid? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #88

They are likely also psychotic and some would argue insane, as well. libdem4life Dec 2012 #122

Although a vest will stop a bullet, it is still painful. Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #97

Ban bullet proof vests former-republican Dec 2012 #98

I don't know that its been confirmed that the Sandy Hook shooter was wearing body armor onenote Dec 2012 #101

Actually its pretty easy SQUEE Dec 2012 #102

You are posting way over the ballistic knowledge of most members here. former-republican Dec 2012 #105

And that seems to be part of the problem SQUEE Dec 2012 #108

"Believe me" I know all that former-republican Dec 2012 #110

They dont have money for teachers. Where are they getting the budget for armed security guards. bullimiami Dec 2012 #111

Well we could start by not declaring trillion dollar wars Glassunion Dec 2012 #121

Well obviously. They all need to have "cop killer" bullets. Crunchy Frog Dec 2012 #119

The one in Aurora was, too Aerows Dec 2012 #123

not so. later reports indicated it was not "body armor" onenote Dec 2012 #135

First you get invisible. Then you get an invisible machine gun. Then, making sure you're not valerief Dec 2012 #126

Maybe the teachers can borrow from their students the bulletproof backpack that are flying southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #127

There has been so much Jenoch Dec 2012 #129

All security guards can make a headshots on moving targets and under extreme pressure.... Marrah_G Dec 2012 #131

simple solution... steel bullets Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #137

With a head shot, duh! TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #140

Teachers would have to be sharp shooters Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #142

Do we know how he got an armor vest and a ballistic helmet? Chiyo-chichi Dec 2012 #143