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Spider Jerusalem

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47. Yes, it's stigmatising

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:08 PM

Dec 2012

as the vast majority of people with psychiatric and mental health issues, or developmental disorders, DON'T COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES. And the vast majority of violent crimes are not committed by people with mental health issues. And saying "well we need to look at our treatment of mental illness" is more or less a way of avoiding having any actual discussion on the real root of the problem (which is the easy availability of guns). Not to mention that it presumes some sort of ability to magically detect mental health issues, and to force people who may have them to submit to medication of therapy or involuntary commitment (none of the recent mass shooting suspects, as far as I know, was receiving psychiatric treatment).

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Is having the conversation about mental illness and horrendous violent crime stigmatizing? [View all] Arcana Dec 2012 OP

The snippet you posted is wrong. randome Dec 2012 #1

Maybe would be if a good share of rampage shooters didn't turn out pipoman Dec 2012 #2

70% of murders are by guns BainsBane Dec 2012 #12

Why not both? Arcana Dec 2012 #13

I'm fine with that BainsBane Dec 2012 #17

But scapegoating legal gun owners is perfectly acceptable hack89 Dec 2012 #27

no one is scapegoating gun owners BainsBane Dec 2012 #29

So all those OPs equating gun ownership with mental illness hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Did I write them? BainsBane Dec 2012 #31

Just pointing out the mood of DU hack89 Dec 2012 #32

. . . BainsBane Dec 2012 #34

Democrats own guns hack89 Dec 2012 #35

what point was that? BainsBane Dec 2012 #36

I am certainly will to consider reforms hack89 Dec 2012 #37

So the majority of these rampage killings aren't also pipoman Dec 2012 #14

A fraction of murders BainsBane Dec 2012 #16

... pipoman Dec 2012 #25

Another point BainsBane Dec 2012 #18

I agree with all of this.. pipoman Dec 2012 #26

That mass murder of people of color is utterly ignored Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #3

The constant war tama Dec 2012 #4

Some of us have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #6

Some black Connecticut residents question media attention on Newtown shootings FarCenter Dec 2012 #11

It's a problem "white america" may not be interested in addressing, much less solving. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #42

Nope, not one bit nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5

Yes, of course it is. H2O Man Dec 2012 #7

So the majority of these guys aren't mentally ill? pipoman Dec 2012 #9

Which guys? H2O Man Dec 2012 #10

Rampage killers. pipoman Dec 2012 #15

"Rampage killers" is a H2O Man Dec 2012 #28

In the case of Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Seung-Hui Cho, weren't they just expelled and Arcana Dec 2012 #38

Don't you understand... pipoman Dec 2012 #40

I understand. H2O Man Dec 2012 #41

There has been borderline conceptual discussion of it here in GD, in poll form etc. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #43

I think that would be ridiculous pipoman Dec 2012 #49

You lost me at "PETA vegan is outrageous." Didn't bother to read the rest. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #8

How could anyone possibly think this creates stigma? Denninmi Dec 2012 #19

there's some big brother shit being suggested fizzgig Dec 2012 #21

Yup, my exact thought. Denninmi Dec 2012 #22

When advocates and activists say "Let's have the conversation" I think they prefer more level-headed Arcana Dec 2012 #23

It's a little hard not to take it personally Denninmi Dec 2012 #24

I understand Arcana Dec 2012 #39

it does when it calls for a broadbrush abrogation of our rights fizzgig Dec 2012 #20

I am opposed to mentally ill people with potentially violent tendencies having firearms el_bryanto Dec 2012 #33

Perhaps because such is being stated in broad brush strokes without real knowledge of mental illness Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #44

There's nothing controversial about that, but that's not REALLY the nature of the concern. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #45

"mentally ill people with violent tendencies" loyalsister Dec 2012 #46

Spot on! Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #48

Yes, it's stigmatising Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #47