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duffyduff

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78. The problem is it won't.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:29 AM
Dec 2012

There is a large faction of both parties that wants to see it done away with or weaken it to the point it is useless for people.

Neo-liberal beliefs are a poison to both political parties.

Can you explain what the fiscal cliff and losing foodstamps have in common? Melinda Dec 2012 #1
Part of the fiscal cliff is the sequestration One of the 99 Dec 2012 #2
I hear what you're saying, but it won't be quite like you suggest. Melinda Dec 2012 #5
I am currently receiving Fed extended unemployment benefits in CA, adminstered through EDD. stopbush Dec 2012 #8
Different program, different rules and regulations. Melinda Dec 2012 #10
I lost my eligibility for the extended benefits back in May, 2012, when CA no longer qualified for coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #86
Reclaiming History is a devastating read indeed. stopbush Dec 2012 #205
Yes it will. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #11
Sorry, but not necessarily with SNAP benefits. You are ignorant of the law, I get this. Melinda Dec 2012 #19
Go back and re-read the sequestration One of the 99 Dec 2012 #21
Post it, please. I'd like to see the law you believe applies. Melinda Dec 2012 #22
Plenty of good info One of the 99 Dec 2012 #43
Thanks, I'll peruse it at work. Clock is ticking, and I have to run for now. Melinda Dec 2012 #50
You're misinformed. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #217
I thought food stamps were exempt from sequestration democrattotheend Dec 2012 #206
The cliff will force them to do something and if it doesn't then I suspect a lot of congress will be still_one Dec 2012 #3
Seething??? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #4
Most of congress should be fired for incompetency and also not representing RKP5637 Dec 2012 #38
Can't disagree with you there. nt One of the 99 Dec 2012 #57
The problem: CrispyQ Dec 2012 #62
Exactly!!! And yet Americans keep voting them back into power ... because as some have RKP5637 Dec 2012 #67
Technical note: I believe the phrase 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires' may have originated with coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #99
Thanks!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #131
Isn't the 2naSalit Dec 2012 #6
Number 2 is just not true. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #12
so you think the GOP house is going to extend foodstamps and UI? 0rganism Dec 2012 #7
They have in the past. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #15
People who are young and unemployed will get jobs eventually. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #9
Nice rationalization. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #13
Yes people will suffer due to sequestration Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #23
Will you suffer? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #53
You simply don't understand what a chained CPI will do... Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #64
No you don't understand. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #66
The damage done to the US postal service Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #72
You're contradicting yourself. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #79
There will be more political will to stop Sequestration Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #134
The truth is One of the 99 Dec 2012 #138
So what are you suggesting? Just giving into boners "plan b"? That may provide the short term still_one Dec 2012 #126
Never once. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #215
you are right. However, since we last discussed, the republicans didn't even want their own plan. still_one Dec 2012 #221
Unfortunately One of the 99 Dec 2012 #223
I hope so still_one Dec 2012 #225
The money is owed to the people on Social Security and to the federal retirees. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #214
I don't disagree One of the 99 Dec 2012 #216
I was just thinking about cuts to the Section 8 program SummerSnow Dec 2012 #55
I am 48 and have two kids and an 81 year old mother who lives with me. renie408 Dec 2012 #85
Cuts due to the so-called "fiscal cliff" can be undone in January gollygee Dec 2012 #14
If you can't feed your kids for the first few weeks in January One of the 99 Dec 2012 #16
We won't retake the house gollygee Dec 2012 #17
+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #30
+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #39
Good post Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #20
The fact that they are making these 'cuts' now implies that they could be renie408 Dec 2012 #87
Why do you put the word "panicked" in front of the deal for January gollygee Dec 2012 #91
The fiscal cliff talk will be no more come January Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #147
reminding people about the unemployment benifits Riftaxe Dec 2012 #18
Nice broad brush you swing there. Melinda Dec 2012 #24
It is my understanding unemployment benefits are one of Riftaxe Dec 2012 #26
You say Duers don't care about those in poverty, then respond to me with a personal attack? Melinda Dec 2012 #40
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #41
.... Melinda Dec 2012 #47
Many, many people relying on social security are poor gollygee Dec 2012 #25
Oh dear, i suspect i am a hell of a lot more aware of Riftaxe Dec 2012 #28
You're making some huge assumptions about me gollygee Dec 2012 #36
Look this is a lose lose situation for the poor Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #29
There is no arguing that Riftaxe Dec 2012 #32
+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #33
So you're arguing that it is better One of the 99 Dec 2012 #46
The damage done to the US postal service Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #49
Well said Liberalynn Dec 2012 #35
Yup, and I am one of the poor collecting social security. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #193
God forbid you use Republican logic hfojvt Dec 2012 #140
Yours is exactly the reaction Obama is counting on to let him cut SS for everybody MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #27
So being concerned about people One of the 99 Dec 2012 #51
Nothing could say better how Obama is turning needy people against each other in order to MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #58
So everything in Obama's fault. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #71
It IS Obama's fault. He's making a totally unnecessary concession. If he hadn't been doing that MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #132
The President is not perfect One of the 99 Dec 2012 #135
That was then. Obama has now been reelected with a comfortable margin. Yet he is still offering MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #144
Sorry but that is not reality One of the 99 Dec 2012 #159
Please don't attribute thought to me that I don't have. What I do think is that Obama offering MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #169
Again that is your opinion. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #173
No it is REALITY. SS has NOTHING to do with the deficit. That is a fact. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #182
That is true. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #185
the left didn't stay home in 2010.. frylock Dec 2012 #194
Maybe so One of the 99 Dec 2012 #208
Democrats Try to Crack Mystery of the Missing Voters frylock Dec 2012 #211
No one is cheering about either option Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #65
And the long term is that One of the 99 Dec 2012 #69
The problem is it won't. duffyduff Dec 2012 #78
You don't know that. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #123
You're making by far the more dangerous and unsupportable assumption, all to defend a president MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #133
In your opinion. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #139
It all comes down to him. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #149
in that case he's won. (If that's his agenda) Chan790 Dec 2012 #141
Good luck to you. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #157
I work in SNAP, there are no changes coming, cliff or no cliff. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #31
Thank you for clearing that up Liberalynn Dec 2012 #34
Hey Puzzledtraveller, Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #37
If the 2012 Farm Bill does not pass, then the previous Farm Bill remains in effect Melinda Dec 2012 #45
It kicks in immediately. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #48
you seem to be spreading misinformation. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #219
No I made a mistake One of the 99 Dec 2012 #224
Really? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #56
From whom specifically did she get the letter? gollygee Dec 2012 #60
Absolutely Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #68
From whatever government agency One of the 99 Dec 2012 #77
Stop spreading your stupid bullshit up and down this thread, MadHound Dec 2012 #84
It's not just Food Stamps and Medicare One of the 99 Dec 2012 #101
And again, none of it takes place right away, MadHound Dec 2012 #111
Some will take place right away. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #120
Really? Then scan the letter and let us see it, MadHound Dec 2012 #130
Yes it was from a state agency. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #145
Thank you, you finally admitted that at least one thing that you're posting is BS MadHound Dec 2012 #164
Stop trying to censor me. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #178
not true at all obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #222
+1 Owl Dec 2012 #107
+Graham's Number whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #122
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #172
Thank you. You speak for me too. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #187
We are not going to have Congress on our side any time in the foreseeable future gollygee Dec 2012 #94
Maybe not in 2 years One of the 99 Dec 2012 #97
I doubt it gollygee Dec 2012 #103
It may take 10 years One of the 99 Dec 2012 #112
In 10 years gollygee Dec 2012 #119
That is supposition One of the 99 Dec 2012 #128
Current reality is that we can't undo social security cuts and won't be able to in the foreseeable gollygee Dec 2012 #129
So your saying that GOP One of the 99 Dec 2012 #148
Probably not forever gollygee Dec 2012 #151
Agreed. The intention disinfo program is harmful. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #96
I think it's the difference between SNAP receiving cuts in the program Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #61
But there is still a $7.7 Billion cut to Food Stamps One of the 99 Dec 2012 #73
Wrong, wrong, and wrong Report1212 Dec 2012 #42
They are not unrelated. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #44
Articles still missing the mark Report1212 Dec 2012 #52
They are part of the sequester One of the 99 Dec 2012 #54
According to this link, SNAP (food stamps) are NOT affected by the sequester. yodermon Dec 2012 #59
Thank you for the link Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #83
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #174
but but my friend got a letter.. frylock Dec 2012 #197
Stop spreading disinformation MadHound Dec 2012 #63
MadHound Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #75
That's not the whole story. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #90
Stop spreading your disinformation, MadHound Dec 2012 #116
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #175
So old people are to be the sacrificial lambs. Gotcha. That's the new meme around here. forestpath Dec 2012 #70
So the poor and unemployed or sacrificial lambs instead. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #81
No one should be a sacrificial lamb gollygee Dec 2012 #100
Why? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #106
The Republicans won't vote en masse to end food stamps gollygee Dec 2012 #108
That is not logical One of the 99 Dec 2012 #114
You must not know much about Congress gollygee Dec 2012 #121
Yes it does. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #152
You are the ones insisting it is either/or. One day everyone will go over Obama's cliff. forestpath Dec 2012 #102
I see more cruelty One of the 99 Dec 2012 #110
The cruelty is using seniors for scapegoats. That's what you and President Obama are doing. forestpath Dec 2012 #124
So it is better to make the poor and needy scapegoats now. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #150
True, why is anyone even putting that on the table? treestar Dec 2012 #74
Because One of the 99 Dec 2012 #82
Saving Social Security is Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #98
So the hell with the poor and needy now? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #104
A chained CPI is immediate once in place Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #113
And it can always be reversed One of the 99 Dec 2012 #117
It'll NEVER be reversed durablend Dec 2012 #143
It's not reality to say One of the 99 Dec 2012 #161
Yes it is immediate. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #125
Their has to be a political will for that to be undone Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #137
But we can create that political will One of the 99 Dec 2012 #163
What a load of nonsense Autumn Dec 2012 #76
Not nonsense One of the 99 Dec 2012 #95
This is the same phony 'hide behind the poor' bullshit we heard two years ago, when Marr Dec 2012 #80
Not phoney if you're dependant on Food Stamps or One of the 99 Dec 2012 #88
Food stamp are shielded. If you run out of benefits you qualify for help Autumn Dec 2012 #118
So it is OK One of the 99 Dec 2012 #155
So it's okay that the poor and needy suffer so you can win an ideological victory? Autumn Dec 2012 #165
When did I ever advocate for tax cuts for the wealthy. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #181
If you want this deal, which does nothing but harm the needy, yeah this deal is to Autumn Dec 2012 #188
Going off the fiscal cliff harms the needy One of the 99 Dec 2012 #189
I'm done, have a nice holiday n/t Autumn Dec 2012 #190
How Dare You... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #89
Sequestration doesn't work in the manner you describe Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #92
The Debt Ceiling Is Separate From Sequestration... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #136
That is the point Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #142
The "Cliff" Is...The Debt Ceiling Isn't... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #154
The debt ceiling can be dealt with Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #162
Confusion Is The Politician's Best Friend... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #192
I think that based on what happened last Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #196
The Last Time... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #200
LOL nt One of the 99 Dec 2012 #93
And that right there is the response... Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #105
Tell it! But you have to assume that everyone who's carping is really a "liberal" or "progressive". Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #109
Ah... and here come the folks whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #127
The President is Good Light. Cha Dec 2012 #220
As msanthrope would quip: "you Better Believe It!" great white snark Dec 2012 #177
!!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #213
absolute bullshit Enrique Dec 2012 #115
Nonsense. 99Forever Dec 2012 #146
being lied to? Enrique Dec 2012 #153
Maybe.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #158
by this logic there are no limits on GOP power Enrique Dec 2012 #156
No saying the chained CPI One of the 99 Dec 2012 #167
How will this affect unemployment? drm604 Dec 2012 #160
I'm not certain about this One of the 99 Dec 2012 #170
I'm concerned most about my immediate benefits; the next few weeks or months. drm604 Dec 2012 #204
My neighbor ran out of employment benefits 2 weeks ago, She applied for aid Autumn Dec 2012 #171
Good for her. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #184
So, what do you propose? That we go along with the Democrats caving..again? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #166
Compromise is not caving. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #180
It is when you when you you give up the most. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #183
How is it the most? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #186
Chained CPI, cutting more from SS than the military. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #191
That's still not giving up the most. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #207
If it's not so important why are the Republicans and 3rd Way so focused on it? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #210
There are deals that would be worse for more people over the long run, in order to avoid the "cliff" MNBrewer Dec 2012 #168
This old chestnut gets trotted out every time whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #176
No that's the old chestnut One of the 99 Dec 2012 #179
Some would rather score a victory for their "team" than do something to help those in need. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #195
No that is not true at all Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #198
I don't speak to any person in particular. However, there is a faction of the population -- NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #199
We know the Tea party wants total victory Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #203
Neither is being endlessly blackmailed. aquart Dec 2012 #201
We need new much more co-operative ways to live and work in order to maximize tax-funded resources patrice Dec 2012 #202
So, the choices are.. Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #209
but MNBrewer Dec 2012 #212
Food stamps are exempt. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #218
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