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customerserviceguy

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62. There are a number of things that need to be done
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

Chained CPI is only one tool. I've advocated a total removal of the employer FICA cap, if some megabank wants to pay some asshat CEO ten million dollars to run the thing into the ground, then they can afford to pay FICA tax on all ten million.

Raising caps on workers sounds fine, but then it also boosts the maximum benefit. Wouldn't it be deeply ironic if retiring baby boomer rich folks can pay the new rate for only a few years, then get maybe an extra thousand dollars a month from Social Security for the rest of their well-fed lives? Maybe part of the answer is a new "tier" of benefits for any additional cap raises, with the tiers tied to the CPI, even a chained one.

And here's the reality: We may well have to raise FICA tax rates. The boomers saw them go up dramatically during their working years, and that's what's kept the thing afloat so far. There hasn't been a raise in those tax rates in a very long time.

Also, we might have to think about raising the age for full benefits, while differentiating between types of work. I'd be happy to wait until 70 if it meant that a person of my age who works at hard labor gets to collect full benefits at 65 (instead of waiting until 67, as we both have to under current law). As we shift more from a labor-intensive society to an automated one with most jobs being in less demanding service industries, we move to a higher average retirement age in an equitable fashion.

It's going to take a lot of thought and study to figure out what to do, and it just can't be accomplished in a year-end mad dash.

If Obama cuts social security [View all] Pharaoh Dec 2012 OP
The Sky is falling. Yes? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #1
"This Guy is Failing", yes. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #37
WTF! 20+ kids were gunned... 6502 Dec 2012 #52
More than one issue can be discussed on the same day. Both are important. If you were on Social Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #69
What is it about John Lennon avatars that makes people annoying? BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
He would be pissed that they try to appear open-minded by wearing him like a hat. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #3
Well, they tend to be Democrats. Marr Dec 2012 #6
The OP is apparently lost BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #7
I notice you left out the "if he cuts Social Security". Marr Dec 2012 #8
No; the absence of all perspective is what annoys me BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #13
How could Romney do any worse? Marr Dec 2012 #46
So should we thank the president for giving us some lube while he institutes Republican Arcanetrance Dec 2012 #51
I agree. Especially if he cuts Social Security Autumn Dec 2012 #20
actually, it is a concern. Belittling it doesn't remove roguevalley Dec 2012 #33
Damn right newfie11 Dec 2012 #4
Good! Let's all stay home for the mid-terms! Walk away Dec 2012 #15
It worked so well in 2012 newfie11 Dec 2012 #18
If the c-CPI goes through without any objection from my local politicians, I will vote in the AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #27
There is no "may" about it. I have a plethoro Dec 2012 #31
agreed Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #5
When you watch a baseball game, do you leave in the second inning? graham4anything Dec 2012 #9
Ah, here comes the chess argument Doctor_J Dec 2012 #24
I think the 2010 candidates worked very well...showed America how bad Repub/tea/libertarians are graham4anything Dec 2012 #28
this mac56 Dec 2012 #39
Even MORE chess Doctor_J Dec 2012 #47
How's that 3rd Party crap of Ralph Nader doing for you that led directly to W winning NH in 2000? graham4anything Dec 2012 #56
Ahhh, yes... the "wait for it" Earth_First Dec 2012 #26
if. spanone Dec 2012 #10
No Republican could get away with it n/t leftstreet Dec 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #71
Because Romney would have privatized it democrattotheend Dec 2012 #12
Don't worry. FLyellowdog Dec 2012 #14
The point is customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #16
"We"? We pick nothing. The President and Congress pick. Chef Eric Dec 2012 #40
There are a number of things that need to be done customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #62
Actually the president's mandate, like it was in 2009, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #48
When Social Security goes belly up customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #63
SS is not going to go belly up, ever Doctor_J Dec 2012 #64
It's just simple math customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #66
One of the themes of the campaign was, "they're going to cut SS, I'm not" Doctor_J Dec 2012 #17
You got that right newfie11 Dec 2012 #19
He won't get away with this. Once it's official you'll see abject outrage. plethoro Dec 2012 #32
+1 People don't take kindly to being lied to woo me with science Dec 2012 #21
Everyone agrees that Medicare needs reform bhikkhu Dec 2012 #22
Yes, by expanding it, not cutting it Doctor_J Dec 2012 #23
Yep! Fearless Dec 2012 #30
But do the civilized countries have the same ridiculous rate of increase in costs that we have? Flatulo Dec 2012 #36
I think the underlying hope is that the ACA changes the whole cost structure bhikkhu Dec 2012 #43
No, because the drug companies and the AMA don't run the country there Doctor_J Dec 2012 #50
Maybe, but nobody ran on that bhikkhu Dec 2012 #41
The president didn't run on cutting it either Doctor_J Dec 2012 #45
The poisin pill to Medicare Pharaoh Dec 2012 #59
As said by Eli Wallach: "If God didn't want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep." AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #25
Exactly! Fearless Dec 2012 #29
Back in the '60s, my polisci prof repeatedly stated that Social Security could only be cut by... Bozita Dec 2012 #34
True. Smirk couldn't do it Doctor_J Dec 2012 #35
When Obama repeated the fact about no cuts to Soc Sec INdemo Dec 2012 #38
Cuts can be good. Neon2012 Dec 2012 #42
I will wait and see, but JEB Dec 2012 #44
A prediction: femrap Dec 2012 #49
Good question. Beacool Dec 2012 #53
he campaigned on a public option the first time; we know how that turned out n/t amborin Dec 2012 #54
+1 area51 Dec 2012 #60
Shh! We're not allowed to mention that Doctor_J Dec 2012 #65
I signed a an email tonight to President Obama. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #55
and Republicans will have a great belly laugh at us and our great negotiator: "he sure showed us!!" BigBearJohn Dec 2012 #57
Amen! marew Dec 2012 #61
Rope-a-dope, baby! WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #67
kick woo me with science Dec 2012 #58
Oh, great. Yet another anti-Obama thread. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #70
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