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187. Inside the house that is almost certain. N/T

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:53 PM

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I did the right thing today for home protection, I purchased a [View all] crazyjoe Dec 2012 OP

Big gun corporations love you... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #1

Perfect weapon for home protection. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #2

This is probably not the time.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #7

The best part is the shot stays in the walls n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #14

I changed... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17

Actually it doesn't ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #72

I'm not for outdoor lighting. All those carbon emissions and fairly ineffective FarCenter Dec 2012 #22

You're joking, right? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #24

No, when the lights were out after Sandy there was very little movement of people or crime at night. FarCenter Dec 2012 #58

you are my new hero and bff. seriously. galileoreloaded Dec 2012 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #91

Tell that to my truck that was broken into twice snooper2 Dec 2012 #105

It's been shown that outdoor lighting is a deterrent to crime. Criminals like the dark. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #158

Actually it is an inferior choice for many reasons ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25

A shotgun has wide area coverage. It is perfect in my view because you are sure to hit an bluestate10 Dec 2012 #54

Not inside a house it is does not ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #69

Depends how it's choked, doesn't it? intaglio Dec 2012 #89

Not really, not that close up ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #90

Using as an example an unchoked scatter to belittle a persons coice of weapon intaglio Dec 2012 #128

The context was a claim that shotgun pattern is wide enough at household ranges to insure hitting ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #129

Shotguns are MAX lethal, NOT less lethal... GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #151

At close enough ranges you get unburned powder and the wad in the wound ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #167

Inside the house that is almost certain. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #187

It's the BEST choice for a very simple reason... Mel Content Dec 2012 #76

If they are close enough to hear it, you are in a bad tactical situation ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #77

If someone is trying to get in your front door and you load a round in a pump shotgun.. bamacrat Dec 2012 #199

Assuming of course that they can hear things ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #206

I don't like semi auto handguns for home protection mainly because crazyjoe Dec 2012 #131

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I don't think pumping 15 rounds into an intruder is going to look good at trial :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #162

yeah...but it beats his story of you asking him to come in to help you move your TV at 3AM WVMountaineers Dec 2012 #163

Really depends on the circumstances...locking on the trigger is not unknown under stress ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #170

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No it is not ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #175

I don't agree with this statement...... crazyjoe Dec 2012 #196

Been to shooter training. No one ever said shoot to wound. Hangingon Dec 2012 #202

I guess he's not a professor of weapons training :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #204

I teach firearms on the weekends ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #209

Quite right... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #208

I don't like it either... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #207

To each their own, but the opinion is nearly universal among instructors for both beginners ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #159

A shotgun can be an excellent choice, depends upon the situation. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #164

Actually ANY firearm, in the hands of a person who knows it well and practices WVMountaineers Dec 2012 #155

No such thing as perfect weapon cbrer Dec 2012 #59

All shotgun ammo goes through walls. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #80

Nothing like the sound of a shotgun being pumped Bake Dec 2012 #110

I have actually been looking for a high quality audio file of just that sound. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #116

Shotguns don't scatter that much. You still have to aim them. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #166

True, true (unless you saw off the barrel) Bake Dec 2012 #169

I got a dog! She won't let anyone in the house. Scares them off before they even get to the door. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #173

me too! AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #185

Yeah, we have several big dogs. renie408 Dec 2012 #194

Your screen name brucefan Dec 2012 #3

I caught total hell and am still being bullied and stalked for posting nearly the same thing. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #4

Expect nothing RegieRocker Dec 2012 #61

Yeah.. you couldn't even fucking wait till the bodies were cold SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #132

Derp RegieRocker Dec 2012 #136

I thought I might catch some flack, I don't care. I feel if a person wants to keep crazyjoe Dec 2012 #133

DU is like being in school again with the insulting jocks. L0oniX Dec 2012 #190

You are crazy joe. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #5

The unmistakeable sound of a shell being chambered in a pump action is usually all you need FarCenter Dec 2012 #6

Do tell. Robb Dec 2012 #10

What about the sound of an alarm? ecstatic Dec 2012 #12

Does an alarm kill? FarCenter Dec 2012 #15

Seriously though. Pumping that thing just exposes your position. Robb Dec 2012 #19

It's loaded by the time he hears the sound. FarCenter Dec 2012 #21

Why not just leave a quart of Hoppe's No. 9 on the porch? Robb Dec 2012 #40

That's a good one! guardian Dec 2012 #212

The speed of sound is pretty fast. Kaleva Dec 2012 #57

Yep, and you shoot while they are reacting. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #47

Do you stroke yourself slowly during this fantasy of yours? Care Acutely Dec 2012 #111

Breaking into his house isn't innocent. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #188

The clambering is far more effective. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #18

The would be classified as a Defensive Gun Use ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #28

It also lets them know exactly where you are and that might not be good. Kaleva Dec 2012 #56

It does let them know. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #93

You sound like you just can't WAIT!! Robb Dec 2012 #94

What? Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #97

And you'll be READY!! Robb Dec 2012 #98

Yes I will Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #104

Well put Lurker Deluxe. (cool name BTW) I got a bunch of nasty childish comments on this post, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #134

Sounds like you have a very good plan. Kaleva Dec 2012 #107

Exactly what storm is coming? HERVEPA Dec 2012 #8

Draco RomneyLies Dec 2012 #9

Illinois coyotes break into suburban homes? hedgehog Dec 2012 #29

Ever go to start the car in the morning and stare face to face with a coyote that's growling? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Well, damn, are you sure it isn't a funny looking pit bull? hedgehog Dec 2012 #32

I was moderately concerned about the coyotes that share my woods because that's hedgehog Dec 2012 #34

I've been discussing on the rural forum how to spook the coyotes out hedgehog Dec 2012 #35

my problem is mountain lions DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #48

As is mine ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #74

Coyotes are not just a rural problem. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #81

I had a coyote trying to den build under my back deck Paulie Dec 2012 #92

Best way to discourage denning 2naSalit Dec 2012 #127

Not carrying a dead rabbit, but there are dozens of rabbits in the area RomneyLies Dec 2012 #36

Funny, when I first moved here to Texas we had coyotes in our yard ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #39

Fear. arcane1 Dec 2012 #11

I don't know, it just popped into my head when i was posting. :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #135

I know of an occasion where all it took was the sound Downwinder Dec 2012 #13

Do you? Because I believe it's a myth. Robb Dec 2012 #20

Bright idea. In a dark home you want to carry something that will reflect any available light to Whovian Dec 2012 #16

WOW, what a dumb thing to say. I'm not going to sneak around in the dark crazyjoe Dec 2012 #137

Gee, the use of the word DUmmy in this post makes wonder wher you might hale from. Whovian Dec 2012 #140

I was Crazy Joe long before Obama was elected, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #193

Nickle plated? Vinnie From Indy Dec 2012 #23

My thoughts, exactly. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #49

see post 137. you guys should start a club. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #138

A storm coming... Fuckin-A Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #26

why? please explain. Should you be able to own a gun? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #139

No, you did not do the right thing. Your home is now quantifiably less secure than before. baldguy Dec 2012 #27

Thanks for disagreeing without all the childish comments I see in other posts. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #141

Congratulations; here are some fun facts for you to ponder BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #31

Where are the facts? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #71

You want footnotes on a cartoon? baldguy Dec 2012 #143

I would settle for accurate numbers ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #160

They're the same numbers that have always been there; they haven't changed. baldguy Dec 2012 #176

Oh, I thought this was going to be one of those misleading posts... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #33

My guess was carriage light. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #45

Mastubation with a nickel-plated carriage light?! Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #51

Potentially electrifying allrevvedup Dec 2012 #62

To the point of the OP Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #66

Here's a nice brushed nickel one for $79.99: allrevvedup Dec 2012 #112

Ha, now that's kinda funny :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #142

Okay, few things. k2qb3 Dec 2012 #37

My thought was the projectiles would be greatly slowed if not stopped by a wall, so it crazyjoe Dec 2012 #144

Buckshot will certainly go through drywall. Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #177

I agree of course buckshot will penetrate drywall, probably like it isn't even there. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Toronto Dec 2012 #179

Your name fits. morningfog Dec 2012 #38

Hard to go wrong with a 12ga for HD. ileus Dec 2012 #41

What load are you going to use? The Link Dec 2012 #42

#2 will fuck up a person, but it will barely penetrate drywall. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #50

You guys are fucking dangerous. 7 1/2 birdshot will penetrate at least 4 sheets of interior drywall The Link Dec 2012 #63

Really, you got proof? DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #83

Its easy enough to determine...build some test boxes. It might surprise you, it did me. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #88

At 15 feet, a 12 gauge full choke #6 load blows a large hole through a 2 x 8 FarCenter Dec 2012 #109

ewwww.... AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #186

With a .22, skunks will spray before they die; there is less chance of spraying with a 12 gauge. FarCenter Dec 2012 #189

(channeling johnny carson) AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #191

You might want to look up or do your own testing ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #70

And who's using open (skeet) choke in a house? DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #86

Home defense barrels are open cylinder bore to have maximum spread ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #87

That's a fucked up thing to say, what's wrong with you? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #145

I miss unrec proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #43

me too I wish these posters would scurry rbrnmw Dec 2012 #85

It's like friggin' catnip... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #103

Wish we could put a whole thread on Ignore. llmart Dec 2012 #106

That is easily done ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #119

oh please, drama much? Not only did you not ignore my post, you participated!! crazyjoe Dec 2012 #147

Good choice, but I wouldn't worry about a round from an AK at 500 yards slackmaster Dec 2012 #44

it was a guess, I really have no idea. All I know is there powerful and the bullet can travel crazyjoe Dec 2012 #146

It's like bad porn. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #46

There's no such thing as bad porn... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #52

Shotguns are effective for dealing with home invasions. They are easy to load and simple to shoot. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #53

Cool where do I get a nickle plated shotgun? doc03 Dec 2012 #55

actually, I don't really know if it's nickel. The metal is a silver color, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #149

"good choice " but forget the pistol grip unless it has a stock attached behind it. former-republican Dec 2012 #172

agreed, the guy at the store said you can injure your hand using the pistol grip. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #195

I kind of hate the thought of storing a gun anywhere but a safe. former-republican Dec 2012 #203

Cool story, bro. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #60

Are you being sarcastic Will? Do you have an opinion you want to share? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #150

Just keep it secured. nt Union Scribe Dec 2012 #64

Nice going. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #65

No! No! You want the Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle! VOX Dec 2012 #67

Jason was my cousin. politicat Dec 2012 #68

... progressoid Dec 2012 #99

I'm sorry about your cousin, that sucks. I asked about non-lethal projectiles in the store when crazyjoe Dec 2012 #152

That is a really bad idea.. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #174

you make some good points, but I think you under estimate the effect crazyjoe Dec 2012 #198

I know rock salt can be hand-loaded. politicat Dec 2012 #181

If I ever wind up living out in the country with no street lights or close neighbors, kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #73

Shotgun inside a residence is a bad idea ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #75

Well when you live alone it's a nice thing - an intruder is kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #82

I mock you. hunter Dec 2012 #78

Since I live in an urban environment just as you do I agree. ... spin Dec 2012 #79

The only storm coning is the increase in gun sales to the paranoid AK47% DainBramaged Dec 2012 #95

The AK47%! Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #101

Oh, man. That's funny! Iggo Dec 2012 #125

I traded in two older guns I had for this one, (plus a little money), so I actually have less crazyjoe Dec 2012 #153

Where do you live? MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

And do you work first shift? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #100

Hey! I asked first. MineralMan Dec 2012 #117

Connecticut already banned them, so he used a non-assault weapon Recursion Dec 2012 #102

A few months ago Dad and I found a bullet hole in the side of his house. They painted a couple years Erose999 Dec 2012 #108

You'll shoot your eye out Ralph! Generic Other Dec 2012 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #114

I feel the same way about the fire extinguisher in my kitchen slackmaster Dec 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #121

I'd piss on the blanket first slackmaster Dec 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #123

:-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #154

I hope and pray I never have to use it. I would rather have a gun and not need it, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #130

Make sure you practise sarisataka Dec 2012 #118

Congratulations! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #120

Why are you so mad and unhappy? has the world not givin you a fair shake? Try to cheer up, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #156

Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing!!! Iggo Dec 2012 #124

I too did the right thing for home protection and gave my doorman his holiday tip. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #126

hey, we can't all afford to live in a building that has a doorman! Are you a %1er ? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #161

Not at all. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #180

It is still pretty rare to be in a home invasion. Jennicut Dec 2012 #148

A good friend of mine is a woman who lives alone hifiguy Dec 2012 #165

If you really think you need a weapon for home defense, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #168

The lock and the shotgun are not mutually exclusive. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #178

True. But the lock has greater effectiveness and less liability. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #182

Of course he should have a good lock. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #184

The desire to protect yourself is understandable Toronto Dec 2012 #183

For me Go Vols Dec 2012 #192

I don't have kids living at home, but to your point, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #200

I thought you were going to say "dog". n/t demokatgurrl Dec 2012 #201

No, Only smart people buy dogs for home security. slampoet Dec 2012 #205

Dogs don't last in my neighborhood ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #210

I would have picked up a pair of bulldogs... brooklynite Dec 2012 #211

I don't think my cats would appreciate that :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #215

If you have a gun at home you need it under your pillow like 007 Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #213

There are any number of single pistol safes available ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #214