Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
7. actually...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:50 PM
Dec 2012
There are serious constitutional issues with charging fees to exercise enumerated civil rights/liberties.

no, there aren't
Antonin Scalia: 2008

“Like most rights, the right se­cured by the Sec­ond Amend­ment is not un­lim­ited...noth­ing in our opin­ion should be taken to cast doubt on long­stand­ing pro­hi­bi­tions on the pos­ses­sion of firearms by felons and the men­tal­ly ill, or laws for­bid­ding the car­ry­ing of firearms in sen­si­tive places such as schools and gov­ern­ment build­ings, or laws im­pos­ing con­di­tions and qual­i­fi­ca­tions on the com­mer­cial sale of arms. We al­so rec­og­nize an­other im­por­tant lim­i­ta­tion on the right to keep and car­ry arms” —“pro­hibit­ing the car­ry­ing of ‘dan­ger­ous and un­usual weapons.’ ”

A bit ambiguous..Sounds like some sort of government sponsored forum not open to gun rights activists, only gun control advocates..Yeah, that creates it's own constitutional issues.

no, it isn't and no it doesn't
its not ambiguous at all - it says the NRA has too much influence, not really debatable.
'for citizens' means EVERYBODY, government sponsored so the govt. is forced to participate.
ideally, more reasonable people from both sides would participate, and narrow minded fools would be too embarassed to yap their BS

it doesn't create any "constitutional issues", is the freakin' site the thing is posted on "unconstitutional"?

some of the pro-gun petitions on the white house's own site are kind of awful, really.

you are the one who seems to be confused about "constitutional issues", in the end


Go Joe! graham4anything Dec 2012 #1
when it comes to negotiations, better keep obama as far away as possible lol nt msongs Dec 2012 #2
No joke. ananda Dec 2012 #3
BWAH! bigwillq Dec 2012 #13
The bottom link appears to be pipoman Dec 2012 #4
you can't be an intellectual snob and a bad reader at the same time. or at least you shouldn't... farminator3000 Dec 2012 #5
Well.. pipoman Dec 2012 #6
actually... farminator3000 Dec 2012 #7
If the forum is open to either side of the issue.. pipoman Dec 2012 #9
instead of the NRA and their $300 million budget telling congress what to do farminator3000 Dec 2012 #12
The NRA pales in comparison pipoman Dec 2012 #14
gun owners have no voice- they elect politicians who are afraid of the NRA farminator3000 Dec 2012 #17
And there are 41 states which are "shall issue" pipoman Dec 2012 #18
of course the NRA supports gun laws- THEY WRITE THEM farminator3000 Dec 2012 #19
You'll have to re-read the thread, it's all there.. pipoman Dec 2012 #20
i didn't tell you which scalia decision that was from farminator3000 Dec 2012 #8
Are you the OP of the petition? pipoman Dec 2012 #10
if i tell you will you sign it? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #15
I hadn't realized he had a history of involvement in this. Yep...he's a good one to handle this.nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #11
He does know how to be reasonable and negotiate honestly slackmaster Dec 2012 #16
he's done plenty green for victory Dec 2012 #21
I hope Biden knocks the stupid looks off the faces of those NRA stooges in Congress. ellisonz Dec 2012 #22
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Joe Biden in charge of gu...»Reply #7