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168. No, just the end of some elderly and disabled lives.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:39 PM

Dec 2012

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From the White House transcript: Obama DID include Chained CPI in negotiations. [View all] madfloridian Dec 2012 OP

I won't believe it until Obama shows up on my front porch and says so in person! villager Dec 2012 #1

I'd laugh out loud Jim Warren Dec 2012 #6

I still wouldn't believe it! (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #9

If he does, he'd better have some premium cat food with him. gkhouston Dec 2012 #87

With peas or no? jsr Dec 2012 #119

That's dog food. Know your protein sources. gkhouston Dec 2012 #131

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #128

Not making the change in the first place would be a way to accomplish that. n/t gkhouston Dec 2012 #133

+1 n/t southern_belle Dec 2012 #178

To include this is being dishonest on promises not to cut Soc. Sec. madfloridian Dec 2012 #2

All I ever need to know about President Obama. He threw the vulnerable under the bus forestpath Dec 2012 #3

He's done that before. ananda Dec 2012 #10

Yeah. Just no so blatantly and proudly, I guess. forestpath Dec 2012 #21

Specifics? George II Dec 2012 #85

Specifics gussmith Dec 2012 #108

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #135

You sound like you think only trolls have that opinion. n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #165

Does it not matter to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #104

I am not among "most vulnerable". I want protection from it as well. madfloridian Dec 2012 #113

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #115

And just who femrap Dec 2012 #185

Chained CPI is a specific, known entity. Bake Dec 2012 #125

I don't trust a word out of Carney's mouth. forestpath Dec 2012 #155

Not really. They said they weren't going to touch SS in the first place. cui bono Dec 2012 #166

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #129

Sure. I believe it. Why shouldn't we all? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153

This not the first time. And he isn't doing this alone. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #152

Reliable source? madfloridian Dec 2012 #4

You are correct! marew Dec 2012 #5

Well, this post is dropping quickly. madfloridian Dec 2012 #7

Well, GOBAMA! is speaking now... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #12

Many don't want to see what the don't want to see. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #15

Sad but true UndahCovah Dec 2012 #75

Very well said Liberalynn Dec 2012 #81

I guess you missed this part ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #106

So when your first belief is shattered, you have a fall-back position? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #154

Another vague excuse for why doing a thing he promised not to do is actually not so bad. Marr Dec 2012 #194

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #130

NO! This can't be true. Obama is the new FDR! leftstreet Dec 2012 #8

Naw. President Obama hasn't set up intern camps so he's no FDR. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57

He entered it into negotiations. madfloridian Dec 2012 #11

You are NOT posting misinformation. You are posting the facts. But when the facts sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #13

It angers me to have the truth treated with anger. madfloridian Dec 2012 #17

That's nothing new here. Throughout the election this was the case. Any sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #22

I haven't been able to get through to Nelson. madfloridian Dec 2012 #150

Don't you dare leave again. Melinda Dec 2012 #32

Don't leave again, please. caseymoz Dec 2012 #93

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #132

Stop spamming. cui bono Dec 2012 #167

I'd love to sell you a car. Marr Dec 2012 #195

While you're talking femrap Dec 2012 #188

It just doesn't fit the narrative that some here Autumn Dec 2012 #14

Not the end of the world. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #16

No, just the end of some elderly and disabled lives. cui bono Dec 2012 #168

Standing on common ground with Republicans is equivalent to randr Dec 2012 #18

OT - I want to say that's a mixed metaphor, even though coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #41

Oh Bah. What does Jay Carney know? progressoid Dec 2012 #19

The key is HOW the change is implemented--if low income people are spared the effect geek tragedy Dec 2012 #20

Well, all they have to do is talk to the people. I trust Dean Baker and sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #23

It's on the table because Republicans control the House of Representatives. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #51

Democrats control the Senate and the WH. So we do not expect any bad policy sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #68

How are the Republicans doing, scorecard wise? geek tragedy Dec 2012 #78

"Republicans control the House of Representatives" because Blue-Dog Democrats betrayed us. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #157

We lost because it was a shitty economy, voters were pissed, and the Democrats geek tragedy Dec 2012 #161

Yes, why is it even on the table. madfloridian Dec 2012 #142

That is just not true. That is blatant spin. madfloridian Dec 2012 #25

See this from Greg Sargent:: geek tragedy Dec 2012 #49

I read that. madfloridian Dec 2012 #61

There are lots of things our party should not consider. Unfortunately, we have geek tragedy Dec 2012 #77

except it won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #109

What about those who NOT most vulnerable? Middle class, etc. madfloridian Dec 2012 #111

That's all you got? "most vulnerable" is entirely too vague, subjective and arbitrary. Divernan Dec 2012 #122

Ooooh! The Third Way is shifting from denial to justification! woo me with science Dec 2012 #26

Oh bite me, your trite "third way" smear of anyone who tries to actually discuss the issue tiresome geek tragedy Dec 2012 #43

This WAS the plan of the Third Way, literally. I posted about it. madfloridian Dec 2012 #54

Sure, and I take it as an insult to be lumped in with the third way. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #56

It is cutting Social Security. Just what Democrats should NOT do. madfloridian Dec 2012 #62

In what way are you different from the third way? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #158

It is unfortunate that any kind of nuanced discussion seems to you a sign of moral depravity. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #159

You are the one that said that you are not a third-wayer. If true, in what way are you AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #162

I think chained-CPI is a lousy idea. My preferred policy solution would geek tragedy Dec 2012 #163

So you're a Defeatist Third Wayer. cui bono Dec 2012 #170

You'd prefer Medicare or Medicaid cuts? nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #179

Your statement that "you think chained-CPI is a lousy idea" is undermined by your support of it. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #173

Except I support it only in your imagination. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #180

There must be some reason why some people think that you're a third-wayer. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #183

If you say so. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #184

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #134

Exactly the scam I predicted: woo me with science Dec 2012 #138

Stop spamming. cui bono Dec 2012 #171

It's amazing, isn't it? A mere 24 hours ago, the SAME names Marr Dec 2012 #196

By the time Obama's done EVERYONE will be low income leftstreet Dec 2012 #40

Teabagger-style spin: Obama is the enemy of prosperity and wants to make everyone poor!!! geek tragedy Dec 2012 #47

What is funny tama Dec 2012 #143

Compelling fairy tale you've written there. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #149

Just a general observation of DU tama Dec 2012 #177

Low income people will be at the mercy of Congresses bribed by the very rich. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #50

There have been proposals to offset it with increases in benefits to those geek tragedy Dec 2012 #55

Yes, and now the poor will be at the mercy of Democrats. madfloridian Dec 2012 #73

So what? They aren't in control of Congress duffyduff Dec 2012 #100

They do control the House. And Medicare cuts are part of the fiscal cliff. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #112

Doesn't matter. Obama doesn't need to kiss their ass. n/t duffyduff Dec 2012 #193

I don't think many DUers femrap Dec 2012 #190

OMG, why accept mediocrity and compromise when NONE is necessary? cui bono Dec 2012 #169

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!! Sheepshank Dec 2012 #24

This fear of honest talk about our leaders is what scares me. madfloridian Dec 2012 #27

+1 Have you noticed woo me with science Dec 2012 #33

You lead my post in a different direction altogether.... Sheepshank Dec 2012 #34

What "fear rhetoric" did I post? Be specific. madfloridian Dec 2012 #44

You provide implied misdirection, and you know it. Sheepshank Dec 2012 #71

Wow, now I am "Lying by omission or mis-applying the direction of the discussion"? madfloridian Dec 2012 #89

it is indeed....and not done lightly n/t Sheepshank Dec 2012 #137

+1 Segami Dec 2012 #37

The "shut up" meme. woo me with science Dec 2012 #53

who said shut up? Sheepshank Dec 2012 #74

check the OP. rumors have been dispelled. frylock Dec 2012 #98

Yes, it's about "puking on Obama"! woo me with science Dec 2012 #28

What are your priorities, Woo? I'm still not clear on that. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #67

Expose Third Way bullshit. That's my priority. :) woo me with science Dec 2012 #84

... BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #92

Two things MFrohike Dec 2012 #189

Two responses to your two things BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #191

Not so fast, my friend MFrohike Dec 2012 #200

Frustrating, isn't it? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #65

You say the WH transcript has misleading info. I give up. madfloridian Dec 2012 #96

I always wonder why the Obama apologists post on a Dem site. cui bono Dec 2012 #172

If they change the CPI, it means that they do not think that our economy will ever recover JDPriestly Dec 2012 #29

Agreed. That is exactly what they are thinking. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #160

Just words on a page. Did Obama type them himself? dawg Dec 2012 #30

I wish the press was clever enough to ask which Chained CPI. jeff47 Dec 2012 #31

CPI-E for the elderly INCREASES their bennies Sheepshank Dec 2012 #38

Oh my stars! Oilwellian Dec 2012 #174

this mac56 Dec 2012 #48

There is only one chained CPI at present muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #52

And since we're changing the law, we can convert it from experimental to what is used. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #58

Which wouldn't make it chained muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #63

Key thing from Carney is: dennis4868 Dec 2012 #35

That is just happy talk from Carney. madfloridian Dec 2012 #42

Of course you call it happy talk dennis4868 Dec 2012 #99

And how would the President do that when he relies on Congress to make all the KoKo Dec 2012 #60

What KoKo just said. Rex Dec 2012 #80

That's as close to stone as we're going to get prior to the signing, should that occur. Funny, plethoro Dec 2012 #36

Well, If he John2 Dec 2012 #39

"And so it’s not directed at one particular program; it would affect every program that uses CPI." colorado_ufo Dec 2012 #45

yep, you'd think this would be common knowledge by now stupidicus Dec 2012 #46

Denial is rampant here upi402 Dec 2012 #59

good/apt analogy stupidicus Dec 2012 #148

Thank you! The level of denial around here is truly something to behold! n/t markpkessinger Dec 2012 #64

Well, I guess today is the day that we once again learn that there is no Santa Claus. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #66

No pony? upi402 Dec 2012 #69

Words from Tom Harkin, video clip. Dangers of chained cpi madfloridian Dec 2012 #70

"MF" and "Sabrina 1" Progressive Dems are organized in fighting back KoKo Dec 2012 #72

I did miss that post. madfloridian Dec 2012 #76

Thanks for posting some concrete information Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #79

Calm down rtracey Dec 2012 #82

Not my point. madfloridian Dec 2012 #88

From what I see, the Republicans put it on the table.... George II Dec 2012 #83

POTUS said such on my tv nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #86

We should be talking about raising the cap on ss not chained cpi. nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #90

I'm Not Even Sure I UNDERSTAND What This Mean To Me. ChiciB1 Dec 2012 #91

The CPI determines how SS tries to keep up with inflation DireStrike Dec 2012 #94

Here's Bernie Sanders' read on it in graph form. madfloridian Dec 2012 #95

We're not just going to screw you in SS but in every program that uses CPI. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #97

Madfloridian, as a former teacher, can you calculate for us, in real dollars, how much your msanthrope Dec 2012 #101

No, I was not a math or economics teacher. Not in my job description. madfloridian Dec 2012 #103

It's an insult to assume you can do math? I think the calculation part is pretty simple--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #127

That really is a sad way to present a case. madfloridian Dec 2012 #144

It's just a technical change so it's all cool. Promise neverforget Dec 2012 #182

Apparently it is enough to pay for wars of choice on credit and private planes for Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #116

I think an actual calculation would be helpful to bring home the impact on seniors.... msanthrope Dec 2012 #124

OK, what part of "negotiation" don't you understand? intaglio Dec 2012 #102

Will he exempt middle class from becoming most vulnerable? madfloridian Dec 2012 #107

Here's what I get: ProSense Dec 2012 #105

Agree in part. But it's been planned a while. madfloridian Dec 2012 #110

It can't be said enough. n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #202

What' you're going to believe a right-wing rag like the WH web site? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #114

..... madfloridian Dec 2012 #120

Yeah, can you believe these people? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #123

I'm not going to believe it until I hear it directly from the president! Doctor_J Dec 2012 #145

And how do we know it's the President? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #146

Spew! Oilwellian Dec 2012 #175

Bwah! woo me with science Dec 2012 #187

K & R & AzDar Dec 2012 #117

I want that statement signed by the president himself, and certified in long form. jsr Dec 2012 #118

Putting or allowing chained CPI on the negotiating table JEB Dec 2012 #121

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #126

Only those not vulnerable would suffer, and then they become vulnerable as well. madfloridian Dec 2012 #139

What a fucking scam. woo me with science Dec 2012 #156

There's a thorough, long discussion of this at HuffPost by R. J. Eskow madfloridian Dec 2012 #136

Thank you for that link. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #186

It's an article with good coverage, various views. madfloridian Dec 2012 #197

Thank you MF. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #140

He dood it. aquart Dec 2012 #141

Yes, he did. madfloridian Dec 2012 #147

Of course he did. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #151

Well, let's be clear about one thing... cui bono Dec 2012 #164

That part really bothered me. Doesn't make it acceptable. madfloridian Dec 2012 #176

DU REC +1 nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #181

No, you just like to post anything that SOUND anti-Obama. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #192

Only on education and the safety nets. madfloridian Dec 2012 #198

With implementation rules that are essentially a means-test bhikkhu Dec 2012 #199

I really doubt it. We get hit very hard in taxes because we have other income. madfloridian Dec 2012 #201

Who Me? starzdust22 Feb 2013 #203