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love_katz

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48. Patriarchal religions have nothing to offer women, IMNHO.
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:33 PM
May 18

I walked away from those kind of religions in 1985. I have no regrets and will never go back.
Those kind of religions are about Power Over others, especially women and their children.
If those kind of religions help you to be a better person and live a more kind life, welcome you are to them and you can have my share as well. The only thing I would ask is please keep it to yourself and don't try to pass laws or use social pressure to force it on the rest of us.
The patriarchal religions do not respect women in any way, nor do they truly value women's contributions to daily life and the skills needed to care for a home and family. Instead, they view it as a form of chattel slavery, where the labor can be demanded from women and the woman is also viewed as disposable. When we don't look young anymore ( like teenagers), then we're not seen as having any value and can be thrown away, traded in for a younger model.
As far as I am concerned, that kind of social model is sick, and it's also used to excuse the abuse of our planet, which is seen as female ( Mother Nature). Why would any self respecting woman want to participate in her own degradation and mistreatment? Incel young men, go look in the mirror if you want to see why you can't get any girlfriends. Your behavior is the exact reason.
I know not all men are like this. The ones who aren't usually had a strong woman for a mother, or they grew up in cultures where women are still respected and their contributions to society and daily life are actually valued. Such societies also have social structures in place which strengthen and support the women's position. My favorite teacher from high-school, a Lakota man who had eventually learned his people's traditions and customs told me a lot about this, and about the social structure of the Indian Nations who helped guide the Founding Fathers when they were trying to create a new kind of government. As Oren Lyons says, one of the biggest mistakes that the Founders made, was that they didn't include the women. It explains why we're in the mess that we are currently in. If we honestly want to find solutions to our many problems, the oppression of women and our exclusion from power must end.
Stand up Sisters. It's well past time to knock the patriarchy down.

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Are they suddenly going to become priests, or monks....This could attract incels & pervs would fit right in. Historic NY May 18 #1
And their cult, maga leader is irreligious as they come. brush May 18 #29
There was actually a recent article about this--in the NYT, I think. keep_left May 18 #34
Jesus in his teachings did not relegate women to second-class status. Christian Churches did. Midnight Writer May 18 #2
That so disgusts me. There are a few religions that are much less idolatrous of their leaders erronis May 18 #3
There was a book first published many years back called "When God was a Woman" by Merlin Stone that looked at the hlthe2b May 18 #8
Thanks - I'll look for that online. erronis May 18 #10
It's very good. ananda May 18 #45
Just put it on hold at the library. I think I read it many many years ago, but don't know for sure. mucholderthandirt May 20 #74
This is ForgedCrank May 18 #12
I guess you never read Ephesians 5:22, 5:23 and 5:24. MLWR May 18 #19
Guessing isn't ForgedCrank May 18 #41
What "churches" are you referring to? ... littlemissmartypants May 18 #20
It depends on the specific religion EdmondDantes_ May 18 #24
Women run the financing? What does run the household mean to you? Farms managed by "the wife"? Where can I see some KPN May 18 #26
I'm not ForgedCrank May 18 #42
Well, I don't read much Christian bashing per se. KPN May 18 #63
There are ForgedCrank May 18 #69
Christianity is as Christianity does. Mariana May 24 #80
Role dependent? lonely bird May 18 #28
It's not ForgedCrank May 18 #44
Mysterious? lonely bird May 18 #65
aka Complementarianism musette_sf May 18 #62
LOL. They didn't even see fit to include women in the Holy Trinity. CrispyQ May 18 #35
You betcha! travelingthrulife May 18 #51
That's a load of bullshit there. I lived with a stupid evangelical, you have no idea. mucholderthandirt May 20 #75
They prefer old testament smiting and wrath instead of the teachings of Jesus IronLionZion May 18 #39
They do? ForgedCrank May 18 #46
Did you read the OP? IronLionZion May 18 #55
I've learned ForgedCrank May 18 #58
42 years for me IronLionZion May 18 #59
Well, except ForgedCrank May 18 #61
Attacked? lonely bird May 18 #68
No one has attacked you, bro. Given some blowback, sure, because you're saying dumb stuff. mucholderthandirt May 20 #76
Paul the Apostle Sequoia May 18 #54
The Flying Spaghetti Monster requires that LastDemocratInSC May 18 #56
"His" noodly appendage? I guess that's pretty damn non-PC erronis May 18 #70
which makes me wonder why any woman participates is such garbage Skittles May 18 #73
Early childhood indoctrination is very powerful. Mariana May 24 #81
I know church folk are THE biggest child groomers on the planet Skittles May 24 #83
Jesus in practice selected only men to be his disciples. Mariana May 24 #78
If it allows them to shit on women and hate the others,.... magicarpet May 18 #4
Anti-Christ Christians are a phenomenon. nt delisen May 18 #5
Cafeteria christians, too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #7
I am doubtful that many of those named are not becoming more religious but have discovered Bev54 May 18 #6
President Psychopath certainly sniffed grift quickly. littlemissmartypants May 18 #22
He cannot even fake it well. Bev54 May 18 #47
And part of their new religion is to be as impolite as possible. And suffer no consequences. Walleye May 18 #9
Nor is kindness weakness,either. BattleRow May 18 #13
Especially kindness. Joe Biden, one of the kindest man I've ever met was called week. Walleye May 18 #14
Seems to me that they deem pretty much all positive human attributes as weak (feminine) & embrace the worst. CrispyQ May 18 #37
How Convenient Starbeach May 18 #11
By keeping us away from good jobs, they eliminate half their competition in life Walleye May 18 #16
Just watch "A Handmaid's Tale" on HULU to see where they want this to end up mdbl May 18 #15
I suggest reading the novel. Far superior to the TV series. Martin68 May 18 #18
I suggest the TV series for those that fall asleep in front of a book in 5 minutes like me mdbl May 18 #23
Anything the series added was superfluous - part of the padding required to make a novel into a long series. Martin68 May 18 #49
It's an excellent novel and the film is good too. (Haven't seen TV series, no time). . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #27
With all due respect, I have found both the book and the TV series fascinating and frightening. generalbetrayus May 18 #32
Even in that series, some women like being the wives of commanders IronLionZion May 18 #57
Andrea Dworkin's classic "Right Wing Women"(1983) explains the mindset perfectly. valleyrogue May 18 #60
Fascinating pre'cis that makes absolute sense. Thanks. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #64
Absolutely. Conservative religion is a very convenient way to validate the desire to dominate women. Martin68 May 18 #17
My experience with India indian men has leftyladyfrommo May 18 #66
These grifters wrongly state teachings to justify patriarchy damn near as a new religion. uponit7771 May 18 #21
I have a friend... littlemissmartypants May 18 #25
Kick SheltieLover May 18 #30
Just my opinion, Americanme May 18 #31
I think it always has been stillcool May 18 #43
My wife and I both grew up in matriarchal families. hunter May 18 #33
You have a wonderful lineage of strong women. erronis May 18 #71
Sure glad I landed the man I did. calimary May 18 #36
Wrong on every level k_buddy762 May 18 #38
It's good to hear your perspective. These articles can be pretty one-sided since they are backing a position. erronis May 18 #72
It's an opinion piece. Mariana May 24 #79
Thanks, Mariana. That's what I tried to say as politely as possible. erronis May 24 #82
"It's a lot easier to say abhorrent things if you think God is standing behind you, giving you a big thumbs up." IronLionZion May 18 #40
Patriarchal religions have nothing to offer women, IMNHO. love_katz May 18 #48
TESCREALism is a religion Metaphorical May 18 #50
The real reason? hildegaard28 May 18 #52
their "faith" is utter fucking bullshit Skittles May 18 #53
I know! I know! senseandsensibility May 18 #67
Conservatism requires religion and doesn't make sense without it? T_i_B May 24 #77
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