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patrice

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65. k, so how many things are in that "coloring book" picture & what would the same picture look like

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:15 PM

Dec 2012

if it were a wide-angle, high-resolution lens, large-format photograph?

There's one holy hell of a lot more on this table than just SS CPI.

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So, no actual deal. No final decisions. No bills signed. Yet Obama bashing. SHAMEFUL ! [View all] RBInMaine Dec 2012 OP

... Fumesucker Dec 2012 #1

Wow! Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #101

maybe you missed the three previous episodes rurallib Dec 2012 #2

Maybe it's the gratuitous hyperbole Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #44

And don't forget ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #58

Classic. Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #73

It's the Republican policies -- like the ongoing attacks on the 4th Amendment -- that are villager Dec 2012 #76

Then object! Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #90

Huh? I do object. People here seem to have issues when other folks object to these GOP policies. villager Dec 2012 #91

Outstanding! Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #100

I call TOTAL BS on the OP. What good is objection if it's made after the fact? leveymg Dec 2012 #93

"republican in Democrat's clothing" bvar22 Dec 2012 #119

this OP is already telling is that horrible is once again gonna be the best there is hfojvt Dec 2012 #96

The white house leaked the information. Presumably they didn't mind if people discussed the HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3

maybe Obama needs us to cry holy hell eShirl Dec 2012 #4

Exactly. which is why the line "shut up while he's negotiating" seems frankly bizarre. Make the HiPointDem Dec 2012 #7

Then make the Republicans own it. Just don't come Skidmore Dec 2012 #8

When it's obama who put it on the table, then it's obama who owns it. Not a good way to make HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12

Individual interpretation is a strange thing. renie408 Dec 2012 #71

so what? what does that have to do with people criticizing chained cpi? and who threatened HiPointDem Dec 2012 #114

Actually, I have seen several posters in the past couple of days say renie408 Dec 2012 #115

why would people who don't want SS cut vote for someone who'd voted to cut SS? It's not HiPointDem Dec 2012 #117

Agreed democrattotheend Dec 2012 #116

bullshit bigtree Dec 2012 #20

actually, the source cited is a democratic senate aide. maybe it's a lie, but that's what was HiPointDem Dec 2012 #21

I believe it was Jay Carney, the WH Press Sec. Bake Dec 2012 #32

YES Liberalynn Dec 2012 #41

So in other words you have nothing but rumor and innuendo as usual. tjwash Dec 2012 #43

Rational discussion is one thing. renie408 Dec 2012 #67

Waiting until after a deal is signed to object is really too late. fasttense Dec 2012 #5

Exactly. Nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #6

People who didn't object hay rick Dec 2012 #17

+1000 OnionPatch Dec 2012 #28

Very true. While it might be kinder to the president to hold our tongues, we have GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #109

Just one small point... kentuck Dec 2012 #9

I'm not so sure about that. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #35

"You can't claim they are all 'progressives' " kentuck Dec 2012 #47

No, but it is safe to say Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #69

Balloons were floated. Shoot them down or else. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #10

Yep. Let them know that we didn't re-elect them to be sellouts. reformist2 Dec 2012 #15

I hear ya about the alleged "progressives" and their Obama bashing, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #11

Governing Vs. Politicking... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #13

. Prometheus_unbound Dec 2012 #14

Thank you. GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #16

I belive the technical terms include "holding his feet to the fire" or "making him do it" JHB Dec 2012 #18

That's not the same thing as "Obama is a turncoat" etc. jberryhill Dec 2012 #26

Not exactly "hypothetical" Bake Dec 2012 #37

Are you worried about obama's feelings being hurt? Logical Dec 2012 #19

So tell me, how does Obama pull that back and not look like bad faith negotiator? HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #22

k, so how many things are in that "coloring book" picture & what would the same picture look like patrice Dec 2012 #65

You've very cleverly not answered the question I posed. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #75

I didn't "answer" because the question is flawed by oversimplification, you asked "how" about patrice Dec 2012 #95

I appreciate it's a 'complex' negotiation. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #99

If the other side is offering something fake, I would consider the same tactic, BUT I patrice Dec 2012 #102

You can never offer what you won't really offer. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #103

Since the other side is not negotiating in good faith, what would be the point of offering what patrice Dec 2012 #123

i'm so ashamed Enrique Dec 2012 #23

If we don't make a racket when something stupid or evil is proposed truebluegreen Dec 2012 #24

Well said One of the 99 Dec 2012 #25

It's because SOME of us understand how to negotiate. Bake Dec 2012 #38

Histrionics is not a good negotiation tool One of the 99 Dec 2012 #42

I do actual negotiations every day. I'm a lawyer. Bake Dec 2012 #45

Sure you do. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #48

You know what, Mr/Ms 590 posts? Bake Dec 2012 #50

So now number of posts One of the 99 Dec 2012 #54

You want my bar ID? Bake Dec 2012 #57

Why not argue based on the facts of the issue alone. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #118

You do not deal with negotiations on that same level treestar Dec 2012 #52

Bullshit. Negotiating is a skill. There are some things you cannot do. Bake Dec 2012 #55

Again, it's not a two way deal treestar Dec 2012 #59

So do I and so am I jberryhill Dec 2012 #82

I'm not posting my bar ID on an anonymous message board. Bake Dec 2012 #106

Funny how when President Obama doesn't act like a Democrat, a lot of people don't vote forestpath Dec 2012 #27

Sooner or later they'll get the message. Maybe. Bake Dec 2012 #46

My nomination for dumbest post of the day(so far) byeya Dec 2012 #68

I'm honored. forestpath Dec 2012 #83

I'm a "never will be able to retire" person RomneyLies Dec 2012 #72

I am truly sorry. But after President Obama is done with us.... forestpath Dec 2012 #79

Obama rso Dec 2012 #29

SHAMEFUL is the President having SS on the table in the talks. Autumn Dec 2012 #30

Exactly! marew Dec 2012 #77

I wonder Exen Trik Dec 2012 #31

Blah, blah, blah. Mustn't complain until it's to late to do anything about it. When we lose Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #33

It's not about complaining, per se. It's about how that's done & not admitting the limitations in patrice Dec 2012 #63

And lose you will. Every time. And after you get your well-deserved beating, you will come crawling Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #121

I really don't understand, honestly I don't. Why don't you consider "lose you will" a possibility patrice Dec 2012 #122

You completely miss the point. Losing is always a possibility, but every time our way has been Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #124

you haven't been around very long, oh, and Old Elm Tree snooper2 Dec 2012 #34

Huge K&R!!...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #36

Naughty, NAUGHTY Democrats! Stop this instant! Wait till we hear the final word, and then be told, Safetykitten Dec 2012 #39

It is NOT bashing........ Hotler Dec 2012 #40

so what you're saying is it will be FINE to bash Obama RomneyLies Dec 2012 #49

It would be fine in that event treestar Dec 2012 #53

There is no excuse for it treestar Dec 2012 #51

Well Said ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56

It's like all the critical posts about appointing Kerry or Hagel to the cabinet WI_DEM Dec 2012 #60

An aweful lot of people around here cutting ground out from under THEIR OWN positions. Strange, huh? patrice Dec 2012 #61

Rational critique is good, but HORSESHIT HURTS YOUR OWN CASE. Why are people doing that? patrice Dec 2012 #62

SHAPEFUL, and hopeful that the end result can still be shaped as Obama promised. Coyotl Dec 2012 #64

just like republicans think_critically Dec 2012 #66

I've seen this act before. DireStrike Dec 2012 #70

ALL true. . . . SO! this is about how what happens between 2) and 3) happens & telegraphing YOUR OWN patrice Dec 2012 #74

He is speaking live now and would not say he would not cut ss still_one Dec 2012 #81

Well that's good. DireStrike Dec 2012 #107

I am not sure if I feel better still_one Dec 2012 #113

Yes, very frustrating. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #110

He is talking right now and was asked about ss. He is saying still_one Dec 2012 #78

Bookmarking this so I can easily compare it to the inevitable lame excuses later. Marr Dec 2012 #80

Even when the cuts are made to ss they will still deny still_one Dec 2012 #84

"He had no choice!" Marr Dec 2012 #86

To get some concept of what this process is like, try this FUN party game. link: patrice Dec 2012 #85

I am listening to the President right now . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #87

Friggin A right! tazkcmo Dec 2012 #111

I have seen this scenario play out many times Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #88

F*** this. Are you listening to the cowardly words JimDandy Dec 2012 #89

I agree with the substance of your post, but I take issue with your history of the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #92

The claim that The Left sat home in 2010 has been de-bunked ... bvar22 Dec 2012 #120

Oh I'm so incensed I'm posting again: What a cowardly JimDandy Dec 2012 #94

If anyone saw the "Impeach Obama" thread last night: THAT is the kind of shit this OP NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #97

Compromise winetourdriver Dec 2012 #98

No point in compromise if you get a better deal doing nothing. Sirveri Dec 2012 #104

^^^This^^^^ truebrit71 Dec 2012 #105

Rightfully bashed because of proposing it MNBrewer Dec 2012 #108

Do we get to talk about it after we're screwed? And, the Prez doesn't have to compromise. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #112