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In reply to the discussion: So it all begins: DWI for pot even though driver not at fault.... [View all]morningfog
(18,115 posts)43. The article says nothing about how that determination was made.
It could have been that they smelled weed and found some in his car. They may have smelled it on him. Without more details, you can't jump to the conclusion that he was obviously impaired at the scene.
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The two drugs are completely different with respect to how long they can be dected in your body.
morningfog
Dec 2012
#8
It's against the law to drive under the influence. Whether you cause an accident or not. nt
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#161
If he was not impaired, then "and so it begins," indeed--the medical establishment will have
MADem
Dec 2012
#202
And that is precisely why a cheap, accurate, non-invasive field test MUST be developed
Care Acutely
Dec 2012
#74
There is a big difference between judging someone to being high and proving it
TroglodyteScholar
Dec 2012
#80
They finally have a marijana related death. It took a legalization bill to accomplish that.
brewens
Dec 2012
#3
you thought police would give up any of their welfare drug money without a fight? nt
msongs
Dec 2012
#4
If it is true that Scott Rowles failed the sobriety test and admitted to smoking
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#139
No, we need real studies. New ones, that use the scientific method to determine blood level
cleanhippie
Dec 2012
#119
Do you not believe in sobriety tests either? For any drivers, or just for possibly
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#140
Why should the level be this high if the person hasn't smoked in a few weeks? n/t
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#34
It could be this high from smoking yesterday or even early in the morning to night.
morningfog
Dec 2012
#44
You should educate yourself on the matter before blindly providing ridiculous links.
EOTE
Dec 2012
#60
You should educate yourself on the research that supports the law's blood levels.
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#68
The article doesn't say exhibiting signs. It says the cop believed he was under the influence.
morningfog
Dec 2012
#48
That was my understanding from reading the article. I guess we'll have to see. n/t
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#69
So what's the answer, then? Always assume that anyone with pot in their system is OK?
randome
Dec 2012
#45
I know what the answer ISN'T and that's a presumption of guilt. That's antithetical to decency.
EOTE
Dec 2012
#65
I would still have an issue with this if it were alcohol involved, but there would be many
EOTE
Dec 2012
#110
I'm with you. He failed the sobriety tests and admitted to smoking pot within 90 minutes
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#144
If so, then they disagree with the YES on 502 committee that supported legalization.
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#136
Well, this should be interesting then. But if Scott Rowell turns out to have high blood levels
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#159
I knew a woman back in the 80s who was busted for DUI for cold medicine - prescription
Yo_Mama
Dec 2012
#79
So are you. You think it's likely that people who smoke pot won't ever drive while stoned,
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#93
Smoking pot and then driving under the influence isn't legal, whether he was at fault or not.
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#147
How does that defeat the legal doctrine within the court system of "beyond a reasonable doubt"?
Selatius
Dec 2012
#90
Where is the evidence this driver was impaired? I don't want any "common sense"
Romulox
Dec 2012
#87
BTW, "Innocent until PROVEN guilty" is the basis of our entire justice system.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#122
According to the research, it's unlikely it would be that high if he'd just smoked the night before.
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#72
Correct! Just because his blood had more than the arbirary limit does not mean impairment.
cleanhippie
Dec 2012
#112
Of course you don't have a problem with it. You have no idea what the issue at hand is.
cleanhippie
Dec 2012
#111
So what do you think would be evidence of impairment for someone who smokes pot?
randome
Dec 2012
#115
Ok DUers, here's your $1 million dollar idea - design a sobriety test for pot usage/drivers
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#82
Make them stand on one leg and dangle a bag of cheetos in front of their face.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2012
#83
Logic problem: why is a special test needed? If you can't tell someone is high,
Romulox
Dec 2012
#86
Yeah, well obviously you've never been stopped at a random checkpoint.
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#181
They can and do pull people over because they have 2 screws holding a license plate on, instead of 4
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#195
If my attention to the road is distracted by my mind "being expanded"...that's not an improvement
brooklynite
Dec 2012
#132
That's a big "if" though. SCIENCE, (not your "common sense") has to fill in those gaps.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#152
That's not how it works. YOUR claim, YOUR burden. And links from drugabuse.org
Romulox
Dec 2012
#172
"Marijuana Smoking Associated With Minimal Changes In Driving Performance, Study Finds"
Romulox
Dec 2012
#171
That's not evidence of impairment. You've moved the goalpoasts AND changed the game. nt
Romulox
Dec 2012
#185
The facts of this case remain under investigation, so you can't say with certainty
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#191
and after failing a sobriety test advised the police he had just "smoked a bowl"
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Dec 2012
#198
what needs further investigation? would an alcohol incident be further investigated?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Dec 2012
#166
I call nonsense on the "failed roadside sobriety test". No details in the articles to
Romulox
Dec 2012
#173
Details, details. Everyone knows after the Missionaries of Charity...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Dec 2012
#201
If you tell the police you just "smoked a bowl" after failing a sobriety test...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Dec 2012
#199
And your anecdotes about your alcoholic friends reveal exactly *what* about marijuana?
Romulox
Dec 2012
#149
State kidnapping. Injustice. The jury should acquit regardless of the evidence.
Vattel
Dec 2012
#164