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a betrayal is highly believable but better wait til signatures appear after votes are taken nt msongs Dec 2012 #1
why, when talking it up might change something? better than sitting like quiet little mouses HiPointDem Dec 2012 #2
Exactly why I posted. I *WANT the p.t..b. to take notice now. We have had just about enough of silvershadow Dec 2012 #4
+1 Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #35
The politicians have stolen this money.. lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #33
For just themselves? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #40
The AP "sources" are all republican hacks thelordofhell Dec 2012 #3
You mean the bullshit also published in the NYT, WSJ, WAPO, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, NPR, etc? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #5
They all cite AP as the source........... thelordofhell Dec 2012 #6
uh, no, they don't. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #7
What other sources are they citing besides each other and the original AP source? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #25
why don't you go read them? the first one i saw was by paul krugman, & he didn't hear about it HiPointDem Dec 2012 #28
What is Krugman's track record as to when he has been right or ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #46
I've read them all. S-squared, D-squared. Next! nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #49
apparently none too carefully, then. nowhere does krugman mention AP. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #54
Well, then! I guess the case is settled.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #64
is pelosi part of the plot too? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #65
Are you that paranoid? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #74
me? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #75
Because these people loathe President Obama BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #19
WE DO NOT LOATHE THIS PRESIDENT!! And, we do not always have to agree with the man either!! DearHeart Dec 2012 #68
When the moment some lefty blog announces attacks on this president BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #70
Don't assume that I don't understand what the President is doing! I'm not stupid and I have been DearHeart Dec 2012 #72
Pelosi and Carney have referred to it. "Less generous COLA" "Strengthens Social Security" djean111 Dec 2012 #76
Thank you all for playing the game thelordofhell Dec 2012 #83
Only if you choose to whine and make sure you can continue to whine graham4anything Dec 2012 #8
I'm not "whining"...I am very forcefully stating to the party that this thing is a ridiculous silvershadow Dec 2012 #9
they get richer because folks like you continue to make excuses every time democrats sell out HiPointDem Dec 2012 #10
I cannot believe you actually posted this. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #12
I can totally believe it, given his posting history. bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #37
Your post is exactly the kind of post Ken Burch Dec 2012 #13
You mean 2010. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #18
We have to make sure our party is always CLEARLY different than the 'Pugs. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #23
It was 2010. 2014 hasn't happened yet. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #20
I corrected the date. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22
Right. People on the Left were so concerned about BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #39
The BlueDogs were the principal victims in 2010. Progressive Dems did just fine in 2010. Why did the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #45
BlueDogs or not, as was pointed out to me many times when I was complaining, we LOST power BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #47
Progressive Dems tried to primary some of the vulnerable Blue Dogs, only to be told by coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #48
I understand that reasoning, but the fact remains, we LOST power and BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #50
I have seen no analysis backed up by data that suggests that Democrats lost coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52
Watch for claims by the Party that they will fix the damage after plethoro Dec 2012 #11
The Democratic Party is truly stupid. UCmeNdc Dec 2012 #14
We have been to this rodeo before quaker bill Dec 2012 #15
Hold on Dems., maybe Thom Hartmann is right AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #16
And the so-called "base" of the Democratic Party blames Obama and the Dems rather BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #21
Yup. I am sick of the anti-Obama posts. graham4anything Dec 2012 #24
It takes two to compromise. The Center-Right Dems are doing their part. leveymg Dec 2012 #26
So am I, graham4anything. I don't mind constructive BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #41
The Rethugs aren't supposed to be helping us.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #31
Good thing we aren't. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author DearHeart Dec 2012 #66
um -- if obama holds firm on SS, why would voters abandon him or the party? it's only if he HiPointDem Dec 2012 #30
This is the act of governing - compromise. I know it's not a popular meme for the ultras on BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #43
so you're saying he *is* going to compromise on SS? or he's not? which is it? you seem HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55
I'm saying BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57
+1 stklurker Dec 2012 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #17
And then they impeach his ass. kentuck Dec 2012 #27
what? who is 'they'? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #29
Oh yeah, if this goes through the Dems will be blamed big time for cutting SS Liberal In Texas Dec 2012 #32
It's not going to get through. Boehner can't pass it in the House BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #44
What about the Republicans? treestar Dec 2012 #59
The "safe" Democrats will vote for it, as will the retiring Democrats (think Durbin). AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34
Damn! Where is Third Way Manny when you need him???? Bake Dec 2012 #38
Work 45 years voting Dem the whole while, and then get f**ked by your own party, work campaigns even Coyotl Dec 2012 #36
You are spot on. The Democrats need to put a nail in the coffin of these DINO's. silvershadow Dec 2012 #53
I'm sick to death of these DINOs!! Any time we, the "base" or "wishy-washy Lefties" DearHeart Dec 2012 #67
Isn't it sad when a standard, middle-of-the road Democrat such as I, with the same values silvershadow Dec 2012 #69
It is sad! It seems as though lately, you are expected to go along with the crowd, who are moving DearHeart Dec 2012 #73
From the Whitehouse.gov site: Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #51
Cuz we aint privy to the secret meetings grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #63
I just called and wrote to my delegation and the WH. I am tempted to start calling others outside silvershadow Dec 2012 #56
And they will deserve it. Time for a Progressive 3rd Party if SS cuts happen. williesgirl Dec 2012 #58
The Labor Party n/t Coyotl Dec 2012 #71
Then there would be even more cuts treestar Dec 2012 #60
Yup, it's called divide and conquer grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #62
Yup! You have to wonder, whose side is he on? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #61
yep. The gop will run ads saying who voted to cut Social Security. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #77
Although it sucks I don't think the Dems will be blamed budkin Dec 2012 #78
Precisely! n/t 99Forever Dec 2012 #79
K&R!!! tilsammans Dec 2012 #81
Looks like the chained cpi killed Boehner's Plan B deal. House in recess until after Christmas. silvershadow Dec 2012 #82
I read it as any tax increases at all killed Boehner's deal. djean111 Dec 2012 #84
It was NOT the Chained CPI that killed the deal. That was meant to be the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #85
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