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95. Let's all panic, run in circles with our hands in the air, while screaming and shouting....

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:23 PM

Dec 2012

...based on what source in the fact-challenged media that I thought we had all grown to mistrust?

Wow. Just wow.

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Now do you understand why so many of us termed our vote as being for the lesser of two evils? [View all] MadHound Dec 2012 OP

But, but, but....you just wait! We have to pick and choose our battles! The next one will be EPIC! Earth_First Dec 2012 #1

someday our party will use all that dry powder it has saved up hfojvt Dec 2012 #26

Dry powder? RC Dec 2012 #77

Whatever your title means brush Dec 2012 #183

"The President has stood firm on no SS age raise". No he hasn't. At best, various people have said AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #189

Social Security has nothing to do with the debt or the deficit. RC Dec 2012 #209

I don't think you're keeping up to date on this brush Dec 2012 #221

i believe he also said that benefits to current retirees wouldn't change - but chained cpi is a cut. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #232

I don't think you are keeping up RC Dec 2012 #240

What are you talking about? zentrum Dec 2012 #241

It's because we went through this on healthcare and the 2010 tax cut thing. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #268

Thanks for a voice of reason! denvine Dec 2012 #280

I think you all of you are wrong and short-sighted. kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #90

Your heading in that post says it all and affirms what the OP said above. cui bono Dec 2012 #159

100% AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #190

And as many of us were afraid he would. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #199

for all Mr. Obama's gifts and they are prodigious roguevalley Dec 2012 #239

Cutting Social Security benefits is building a legacy JEB Dec 2012 #252

no. spanone Dec 2012 #2

It was always that way for me. ananda Dec 2012 #3

Hillary and Bill Clinton were the original corporate Democrats. Can't imagine that anyone would JDPriestly Dec 2012 #118

+100. they invented third way, & they're buddy-buddy with the bushes. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #233

And a vote for Hillary was, dare I say it, ashling Dec 2012 #143

Sure, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #4

Obama has veto power Fumesucker Dec 2012 #7

Trying for what? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #24

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #108

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #133

Unemployment benefits can be dealt with in a separate bill. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #121

Is anyone paying attention to the negotiations? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

They want the Republicans to compromise, not Obama. cui bono Dec 2012 #162

It really doesn't matter Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #184

That's what I'm saying. The voters have been mislead by the messaging. cui bono Dec 2012 #203

I think I've addressed this in another reply.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #215

"because the democrats have been hamstrung". no, the democrats have pretty much behaved HiPointDem Dec 2012 #266

Exactly right. Dems need to start framing the issues and stop using Republican cui bono Dec 2012 #289

I wasn't aware paulk Dec 2012 #174

And we have so many voices from the right here on DU.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #176

The Dems are center at best now, and the Republicans are extreme right wing. cui bono Dec 2012 #180

I won't argue about that.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #201

First, that's not true. Dems outvoted Repubs for house seats but more Repubs cui bono Dec 2012 #205

This was not a particularly low voter turnout election Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #212

"by modern standards". black voters were the only group that kept their energy level from 2008, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #234

You are relying upon polls? If the Gallup poll just before the election was right, Romney would the AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #191

I'm not talking about Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #197

You know what? quakerboy Dec 2012 #182

False, forced choice. The reason people will lose their unemployment benefits is because pubs HiPointDem Dec 2012 #265

Agreed. There is a false dichotomy being presented in this thread. cui bono Dec 2012 #288

Hell, at this rate we'll have Democrats privatizing Social Security as well, MadHound Dec 2012 #8

Then consider yourself warned. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #21

So you're willing to sacrifice others, the poor and least among us, MadHound Dec 2012 #29

Will the Republicans return that $13? louis c Dec 2012 #39

So we just continue to sacrifice more and more, bit by bit instead? MadHound Dec 2012 #43

I would agree that we could follow your advice louis c Dec 2012 #46

No it wouldn't, geez. MadHound Dec 2012 #52

Is there a specific action that you have in mind? Blanks Dec 2012 #136

YES. go over the "fiscal cliff" and start negotiations in January AFTER the Bush tax cuts expire. robinlynne Dec 2012 #141

That's not really what I mean. Blanks Dec 2012 #276

yes, the plan is to become a Precinct Committeeman & get into gov Tea Party style KakistocracyHater Dec 2012 #243

Voting for Nader in 2000 is that shit that will take 40+ years to clean up. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #65

'Scuse me, but please provide a link to a post of mine back in '08 MadHound Dec 2012 #71

So, you would throw your vote down a shit hole with the result being republicans gaining bluestate10 Dec 2012 #76

A big problem is, we're not even "allowed" to be critical and try to push Obama cui bono Dec 2012 #164

let's see, that nader election was how many years ago? how long do you plan on blaming nader HiPointDem Dec 2012 #267

I remember 1968 louis c Dec 2012 #150

LOL. JoeyT Dec 2012 #251

Absolutely correct about Nader Bohunk68 Dec 2012 #282

She didn't say that she was willing to sacrifice others. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #48

So, we should sacrifice the elderly and poor for gay rights? MadHound Dec 2012 #55

Her point was the size of the sacrifice. $13 per month is not an impossible amount to make up. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #73

But that's a slippery slope. And if the Dems know we will always be there no matter what cui bono Dec 2012 #172

You are not thinking logically. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #206

Totally disagree. I was completely logical. cui bono Dec 2012 #257

So Dems don't show up if they think there is no point and Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #275

No, that's not what I said at all. cui bono Dec 2012 #287

I am not misconstruing anything.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #290

Thank you. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #139

So you are willing to sacrifice everyone, including the poor, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #98

You are fine now, but how will you be when you are 85 or 95? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #128

And what will the climate look like when your 85? raouldukelives Dec 2012 #135

I'm all for saving the environment. We drive very little. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #246

If only everyone could do as much. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #286

If we don't see another Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #142

I don't think I will be the one deciding whether we get another Democratic president. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #244

As before quakerboy Dec 2012 #185

Nor do I.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #216

Ive never yet abandoned my values, or my party. quakerboy Dec 2012 #248

The vast majority of the long-term unemployed have already exhausted our UI. DearHeart Dec 2012 #256

All of our elections have been based Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #274

I agree with everything you said! DearHeart Dec 2012 #285

They're doing it to public ed duffyduff Dec 2012 #119

Thank you for your concern jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #5

+1 limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #58

and many of us can't wait to rub your Madhound nose in it Whisp Dec 2012 #6

Mandate? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #9

It already happened. The President has OFFERED TO CUT SS while giving more breaks to the rich. Dawgs Dec 2012 #13

Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Dec 2012 #14

It was on Yahoo News this morning - n/t lbrtbell Dec 2012 #100

just because you said that and want to believe it Whisp Dec 2012 #23

Actually, I would love for you to rub my nose in what doesn't happen, MadHound Dec 2012 #28

Please to be too angry with some of these younger folks nolabels Dec 2012 #91

I don't understand it... KansDem Dec 2012 #10

"negative liberty" librechik Dec 2012 #11

Wait.. What? Yesterday he was the greatest President ever. Dawgs Dec 2012 #12

Pay attention to the recs and the comments and you'll see CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #17

Just as the "he can do no wrong for he is a chess master" crowd isn't showing up here. cui bono Dec 2012 #179

She should put Bernie Saunders on her list as well. Puglover Dec 2012 #279

Same here...there is only one party now. The party that screws over the vulnerable. forestpath Dec 2012 #15

I've been voting my conscience Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #16

Thanks for the vote dude! snooper2 Dec 2012 #18

Obama won, Nader sucks - get over it jpak Dec 2012 #19

Oh, it's this post again... SidDithers Dec 2012 #20

This time it's absolutely gonna happen!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #188

Any vote that is not for a Dem is a vote for a Reep. riqster Dec 2012 #22

So, what do you call a vote for a Dem who governs like a moderate 'Pug? MadHound Dec 2012 #31

I call it "not as bad as a right-wing Reep" riqster Dec 2012 #36

So you will vote to continue to give your family shit, in some quantity large or small instead, MadHound Dec 2012 #40

The individual initiative is not the issue riqster Dec 2012 #45

And that is something that can be changed now, can't it. MadHound Dec 2012 #50

I didn't say I was giving in riqster Dec 2012 #67

So when are you going to make this miraculous changeover of yours? MadHound Dec 2012 #72

Meh. riqster Dec 2012 #86

+100 n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #96

MadHound, I am with you 100%. dotymed Dec 2012 #111

I went to a garden party. SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #217

I'm not voting for Obama again Autumn Dec 2012 #25

I'm not voting for him again either! democrattotheend Dec 2012 #154

Well, the honeymoon is over. Time to emotinally disconnect. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #27

Touching SS is a bridge to far for me, I'm a liberal. k&r Little Star Dec 2012 #30

that line of thinking got us Scott Walker louis c Dec 2012 #32

No, he doesn't have to compromise, not in this case MadHound Dec 2012 #37

and then in Feb. face the debt ceiling vote?. louis c Dec 2012 #44

That's the thing, MadHound Dec 2012 #47

On the environment, Obama gets an F minus... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #33

Since the first time I voted Flashmann Dec 2012 #34

You make it sound like you invented the wheel. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #35

Didn't invent a damn thing, MadHound Dec 2012 #38

Tom Tomorrow said it all rather succinctly Fumesucker Dec 2012 #41

That's a good toon. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #116

Nose holding and voting for the "lesser of two evils" is a highly over rated pastime. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #42

No I don't. It is completely incomprehensible to me. I think that anyone grantcart Dec 2012 #49

how about paulk Dec 2012 #178

I guess you're ok with chained CPI then. nt hay rick Dec 2012 #222

Amen with a caveat: This is not only about Medicare and Social Security. woo me with science Dec 2012 #51

+1 This should be its own OP leftstreet Dec 2012 #54

"ostentatiously "saved" at the last minute" limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #59

problem is, there's nothing but speculation like yours to base all of that activism on bigtree Dec 2012 #62

Are you saying you can't see or hear a train coming until it hits you? n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #194

Excellent post, thank you DJ13 Dec 2012 #94

Nailed it AGAIN, woo bvar22 Dec 2012 #114

Neo-liberalism is the enemy duffyduff Dec 2012 #124

You're right, "This is not only about Medicare and" SS. Approval of the TPP will be next. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #200

Slam dunk woo! Please consider making this an original post for educational purposes! In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #237

I'm pretty damn sure you're lying to us bigtree Dec 2012 #53

People believe what they want to hear. JNelson6563 Dec 2012 #56

So what are you guys, then? kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #84

I would guess it's the opposite of an "Obamabot" ? cui bono Dec 2012 #195

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #63

+1 Yup. FSogol Dec 2012 #123

No I do not see the lesser of two evils argument. iandhr Dec 2012 #57

First of all, what makes you think I don't write? MadHound Dec 2012 #61

I HAVE HEALTHCARE BECUSE OF THE LAW iandhr Dec 2012 #70

Yeah, and under Nixon/Heritage Foundation/Romney/Obama care, MadHound Dec 2012 #75

So would you rather have nothing? iandhr Dec 2012 #81

single payer didn't happen because people like Baucus had single payer advocates arrested green for victory Dec 2012 #126

This country would not have supported single payer. iandhr Dec 2012 #134

If properly packaged, it would have been Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #153

I have health care of the ACA act. iandhr Dec 2012 #155

And as an older person, I am specifically allowed to be charged three times as much as a younger Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #204

Maybe, maybe not, but............. socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #225

No. You have HEALTH INSURANCE because of the law n/t leftstreet Dec 2012 #80

Obama didn't end the occupation of Iraq any sooner than GWB said so. Lasher Dec 2012 #74

You are wrong about health care reform obama2terms Dec 2012 #173

I'm happy for you, MadHound Dec 2012 #177

Freudian slip? Lasher Dec 2012 #125

I have contacted my Congressman and my Senators. olegramps Dec 2012 #281

There's nothing wrong with voting for the lesser of two evils. pnwmom Dec 2012 #60

No, but this president does have fatal flaws, MadHound Dec 2012 #66

I am not surprised. 99Forever Dec 2012 #64

Yup a lot of people trusted him not to cut social security. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #68

Anybody Who RobinA Dec 2012 #101

Oh Madhound, come sit by me. I agree completely. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #69

Careful folks, this could crescendo into a full-blown Nader. nt Snotcicles Dec 2012 #78

Taking from old folks and disabled Vets JEB Dec 2012 #79

I support Obama FreeBC Dec 2012 #82

SS does not add one nickel to the deficit. CALL your reps, people. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #83

He called it. DeSwiss Dec 2012 #85

Yet Better Actually is Better than Worse PrMaine Dec 2012 #87

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hillary45./Kennedy46 graham4anything Dec 2012 #88

Obama hasn't signed anything yet. Let's let him know SS is NOT to be put on the table. reformist2 Dec 2012 #89

I'm holding out for now... ReRe Dec 2012 #92

He betrayed us. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #93

Who's us? Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #104

Everyone who gets or will get Social Security MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #145

Let's all panic, run in circles with our hands in the air, while screaming and shouting.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #95

I agree with you. It was the conservative versus the right wing extremists. We voted conservative. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #97

oh SHUT UP. Obama is not evil for fuck's sake. rivegauche Dec 2012 #99

killing children w/ drones, indefinite detention, assassination w/o any due process, kath Dec 2012 #144

Well i certainly hope you didnt vote for a man who consider evil.. Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #167

Um... did you miss the line: "The lesser of two evils"? n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #196

No i did not... Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #202

This is true. cui bono Dec 2012 #208

I don't see how anyone would have had any question who to vote for in the last election liberal N proud Dec 2012 #102

No. Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #103

People are starting to act like republicans think_critically Dec 2012 #105

First mistake: Assuming Obama "has to strike an imperfect deal." WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #230

The old folks need to lube up their rectums lbrtbell Dec 2012 #106

Odd for the old folks to be the victims treestar Dec 2012 #163

No. I don't understand. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #107

Dick Durbin: No cut in Social Security benefits ProSense Dec 2012 #109

This election for me, has always been about the < of the 2. nc4bo Dec 2012 #110

This is absolutely spot-on. alarimer Dec 2012 #112

Deja vu. Seen the movie before. jsr Dec 2012 #113

@RepBarbaraLee: Reducing COLA is a Social Security benefit cut. Any deal that cuts Hissyspit Dec 2012 #115

Agreed, MadHound. Agreed. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #117

CPI nineteen50 Dec 2012 #120

It's ALWAYS about the Lesser of Two Evils! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #122

Maybe you should just abandon politics and DU.... DonViejo Dec 2012 #127

I used to ridicule Working CLass people who voted against their economic interests... bvar22 Dec 2012 #129

+ a brazillion, bvar! kath Dec 2012 #146

Shut up. Roll Over, and take it up the ass. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #130

once again thrown under the bus--the less of 2 is still evil dembotoz Dec 2012 #131

they exempt Supplemental Security Income so no ss recipient is pushed below the poverty lvl Sunlei Dec 2012 #132

I'm reminded of the difference between politicians and activists. Fearless Dec 2012 #138

Nothice the one thing he WON'T put on the table for Social Security is raising the contribution cap BlueStreak Dec 2012 #140

Gee, femrap Dec 2012 #147

Don't look at it as alone. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #219

"death by 1000 cuts" is exactly right! How many times can the middle class be stabbed in the back nonoxy9 Dec 2012 #148

Why are you jumping to the conclusion the cuts will be bad? Neon2012 Dec 2012 #149

Because he is not perfect riqster Dec 2012 #152

It's 20 dimensional chess! a2liberal Dec 2012 #151

Yeah! Let's form our own Tea Party and refuse to compromise too! Hamlette Dec 2012 #156

He's right back to the same old shit.... bowens43 Dec 2012 #157

Is our president DINO? I'm sickened, truly sickened & now we understand why the oligarchy. nt mother earth Dec 2012 #158

No, I don't understand JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #160

They knew it then. At the time though, it was more prudent to their cause NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #161

K&R! I have watched Obama sell out the BP oil spill victims and you won't read or see anything Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #165

No wonder Democrats lose... Vietnameravet Dec 2012 #166

No, thats incorrect.... There is one side who only cares about destroying Obama’s Presidency busterbrown Dec 2012 #168

"I won't support that, and neither should you." Exactly! Anyone that can even TRY to justify any In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #169

alas, there's this death cult that says that if you point out corpo infiltrators, you're the problem MisterP Dec 2012 #192

Boehner needs to return to his caucus with a few scalps like-mind Dec 2012 #170

Perfect? Lets try sufferable. Hell, there are plenty of Republicans that didn't cut Social Security. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #227

I've always understood why you've posted that meme Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #171

Never occurred to you that the unnamed source might be the one lying? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #175

So, it's OK to trust unnamed sources when they're saying something you like, MadHound Dec 2012 #181

Outlets like the Huffington "VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!" Post? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #186

Who said anything about Huffington Post? MadHound Dec 2012 #207

Does Reuters meet with your approval? MadHound Dec 2012 #210

There we go. Jay Carney. That's a source! Scootaloo Dec 2012 #254

A "Centrist" is someone who wants Democratic votes. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #187

+1000 blackspade Dec 2012 #193

An assault on the poorest and weakest among us is an assault on the indepat Dec 2012 #198

No, and this is b.s. elleng Dec 2012 #211

Kick & R.. well said... lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #213

I get Social Security Disability Louisiana1976 Dec 2012 #214

I have said those same words..... Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #218

unrec lillypaddle Dec 2012 #220

"We laugh at Republicans who vote against their own best interests" hay rick Dec 2012 #223

Interesting Thread DaveT Dec 2012 #224

great post. I agree that people forget about the money required to run for national office Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #236

I agree with the issue of money and the "obligation" that it brings to elected office, MadHound Dec 2012 #245

Stop complaining and work to change congress ecstatic Dec 2012 #226

LOL! I always love when somebody accuses me of not doing anything. MadHound Dec 2012 #247

Nobody would fairly accuse you of doing nothing. DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #264

Voting for Obama doesn't mean a couple million young and old can't stop the country. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #228

K&R woo me with science Dec 2012 #229

kr. "Social Security will be a pale shadow of its former self." = setting it up for privatization. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #231

I afraid you are correct. JEB Dec 2012 #250

Call the WH zentrum Dec 2012 #235

MadHound, and others who commented without any suggestions saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #238

Oh, but "cutting" benefits is not the same as "slashing" them, truebluegreen Dec 2012 #242

You never disappoint. I remember your last "sky is falling" screed. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #249

SCOTUS was the only reason I had and the only reason I needed to.... yourout Dec 2012 #253

We've been deceived from Day One with Obama. blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #255

This put me in a very bad mood, but I'm still so very glad that I got to see R$ pumping his own gas. lexw Dec 2012 #258

K&R'ing the OP. snot Dec 2012 #259

Yup voting for Obama was a vote for the lesser evil LostinRed Dec 2012 #260

Social issues are all very well, and certainly Obama is better on those. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #277

we'll have to see what's finally decided upon, but dang, if he does anything that effects Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #261

The odd thing about this betrayal is that many if not most Republicans also oppose cuts to Social JDPriestly Dec 2012 #262

Write this as a letter and mail to the local, state, national Dem party. tblue Dec 2012 #263

Reccing pecwae Dec 2012 #269

No quaker bill Dec 2012 #270

Hyperbolic nonsense. Too many DUers are becoming the TeaLeft Party. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #271

SO... RALPH NADER IS CORRECT?? Iggy Dec 2012 #272

Welcome to politics, its compromise and sometimes, often, you don't get 100% what you want. cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #273

I, on the other hand, choose to wait and see Javaman Dec 2012 #278

Yeah, best to wait until it happens durablend Dec 2012 #283

LOL Javaman Dec 2012 #284