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This better not be true Blaukraut Dec 2012 #1
I seriously wonder if ProSense Dec 2012 #5
and shoot seltzer down each other's pants.. russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #15
Don't ask, don't tell... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #64
Sadly the rightwing media complex humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #34
a majority of both democratic & republican voters support raising taxes on the rich. if this is HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55
+1 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #52
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #59
Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit, assuming even the deficit is important enough byeya Dec 2012 #2
exactly, we've been paying it up since the 1980's WashingtonConsensus Dec 2012 #44
No worries. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #3
If he does, you get to gloat and say I told you so. ProSense Dec 2012 #7
Not really gloating... MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #8
It's also a hidden tax increase on the poor and middle class... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #13
I never saw it as a bluff. If Obama cuts Social Security you plethoro Dec 2012 #28
+1. if he goes for cuts, that's about it for me and the democratic party, i.e. the republican-lite HiPointDem Dec 2012 #70
I would love to be wrong about an Obama capitulation, someday, myself. villager Dec 2012 #33
It was said by many on this board that entitlement cuts would be made by the lame duck plethoro Dec 2012 #36
If this is true, there are several on DU that should seriously consider self exile. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #51
Hey, give credit to people owning what they have said jsmirman Dec 2012 #53
I reserve judgment until we know just what is going to happen. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #100
I am seriously concerned jsmirman Dec 2012 #102
You just don't understand n-dimensional chess, Manny. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #80
And it's been made abundantly clear in that post that this is JUST A RUMOR. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #60
First off, it's now being reported as fact MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #65
Whose fact? The anonymous source's? Who is this person? A Republican mole? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #99
you think they can make $400 billion in cuts to medicare & it won't affect recipients? i gotta HiPointDem Dec 2012 #84
Yes, I do. You're forgetting that we now have the PPACA and a public option on its BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #96
well, we're going to see. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #101
Why am I not surprised you'd respond this way? I guess nothing Obama does BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #104
I think obama is much more presidential than bush was and michelle has been one of the best HiPointDem Dec 2012 #105
Why is that? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #106
if the white house didn't want the terms to be public, i assume they wouldn't have released them. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #107
An earlier question ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #4
It will eventually be a 10% cut in benefits. IIRC MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #11
So billionaires can stay rich? NO! aquart Dec 2012 #24
Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #39
it'll eventually be a ticket to the cemetery, because the cuts don't end after 10 years. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #85
A chained CPI if inflation goes up will be disastrous for low-income plethoro Dec 2012 #76
Oh good, so despite two years straight of zero SS COLA, the CPI they used is too lavish? DJ13 Dec 2012 #6
Actually, the official CPI used for older Americans shows *higher* inflation than what's used now MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12
I hope this isn't true! neverforget Dec 2012 #9
That's right: It's the Chinese death-of-a-thousand-cuts byeya Dec 2012 #10
FWIW, I don't think it will happen quite this way. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #14
Is raising the cap on SS payroll deductions even talked about anymore? Blaukraut Dec 2012 #16
Nah, that would cost money for rich people. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #17
^^^ this ^^^ TDale313 Dec 2012 #22
It's not a robbery in their minds, Manny, it's their own money Trailrider1951 Dec 2012 #57
A deal to hurt the elderly and vulnerable. forestpath Dec 2012 #18
Oh, yay. Hanging us out to dry again. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #19
If either program is cut significantly, you can plethoro Dec 2012 #31
dammit abelenkpe Dec 2012 #20
Did you catch the "Speculative Outrage" bug or something? nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #21
You misunderstand ProSense Dec 2012 #27
I would have assumed it is the reverse. Bonobo Dec 2012 #29
It's bizarro world stupid. ProSense Dec 2012 #30
Divorced from reality. Bonobo Dec 2012 #35
Groovy ProSense Dec 2012 #40
IMO, ANY two party "system" Bonobo Dec 2012 #43
When the fuck did it become the Democrats' job to save the Republican Party? DJ13 Dec 2012 #46
What do Robert Reich & Senator Sanders say? Sanders has spoken strongly against CPI, right? Is this patrice Dec 2012 #23
Who are you and what have you done with ProSense? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #25
ALL CUTS COME FROM DOD. Period. on point Dec 2012 #26
you can say so, but right now it stands are $100B from military, $130B from SS, $400B from medical. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #86
Explanation: elleng Dec 2012 #32
Sounds like rationalization ProSense Dec 2012 #37
At this point, I'm going to trust Obama. FreeBC Dec 2012 #38
Trust but verify democrattotheend Dec 2012 #103
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-boehner-meet-as-debt-talks-intensify/2012/12/17/6b43c24 wilsonbooks Dec 2012 #41
I know I will get s**it for this, but I think the deal sounds Hoyt Dec 2012 #42
Do you know how much the chained CPI eventually cuts SS payments? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #45
Manny it's not much in early years, especially when inflation is low. Hoyt Dec 2012 #50
It should not be part of the deficit negotiations. ProSense Dec 2012 #56
I'll bet my ass there is an increase in the cap too. You wait. Hoyt Dec 2012 #61
currently, the average 65-year-old lives to 85 MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #62
Manny, if it gets bad they will do something in a few years ASSUMING the economy is doing well. Hoyt Dec 2012 #73
There is zero need to make any cuts. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75
Thank God for Krugman to set us straight. Hoyt Dec 2012 #79
"and I'm assuming it works out like this" Nope, ProSense Dec 2012 #48
Sorry, I think you are wrong. If that's the deal, I'd take it and move on. Hoyt Dec 2012 #58
No, you're ProSense Dec 2012 #66
So Krugman is a liar and tool of the right on this. Hoyt Dec 2012 #71
Krugman: ProSense Dec 2012 #72
And he also said chained CPI is a small price to pay for rest of deal, like no Medicare age increase Hoyt Dec 2012 #74
What stimulus money do you even begin to think a new mass transit system there is? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #82
R U M O R S.....we'll see spanone Dec 2012 #47
In the end it's up to us to put pressure on congress to say no if this is true. loyalkydem Dec 2012 #49
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #54
KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #63
I'm darn sure for that. Hoyt Dec 2012 #83
We need to cut at the top Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #67
I think we should cut Congress. That would be a HUGE savings, in graft alone. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #78
Go ahead and burn me at the stake cheapdate Dec 2012 #68
I agree, but only as long as lower income/wealth people aren't hurt. Hoyt Dec 2012 #87
How do they own the cuts? They can't pass them. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #88
Much like the deficit reduction act of 2005...the poor and middle class will have less adirondacker Dec 2012 #69
seems like we're doing a hell of a lot of sacrificing while the bankster class's profits just keep HiPointDem Dec 2012 #77
I was hopeful that the Dems would repeal the act once in power.... adirondacker Dec 2012 #95
Sounds like a decent deal that will prevent a recession BrentWil Dec 2012 #81
I hope it's ProSense Dec 2012 #89
Yes but changing the index does save money and isn't reasonable BrentWil Dec 2012 #91
Good deal if you are never going to need Social Security or Medicare liberal N proud Dec 2012 #97
No problem. Obama will veto any bill that cuts SS, Medicare, or other social programs. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #90
Dream on BrentWil Dec 2012 #92
Hear, hear Babel_17 Dec 2012 #93
"Thank you for contacting the White House." Babel_17 Dec 2012 #94
st. reagan smiles in hell datasuspect Dec 2012 #98
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