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nice try but most gun users & killers are not psychopaths - most gun toting killers are sane nt msongs Dec 2012 #1
Apparently many gun owners are content to Skidmore Dec 2012 #2
And thanks for proving the anti-gun point. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #3
but the intent is clear Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #4
Perhaps not "psychopaths", who by clinical definition Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #8
actually they can laundry_queen Dec 2012 #39
Point taken--you're right. The sociopathy/psychopathy Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #43
The worst of them quite commonly are psychopaths who aren't insane Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9
Until they are not. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #15
You completely missed the point as well as what the 2nd Amendment actually says nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #61
Congress has all the authority it needs for the militia in Article I, Section 8, clauses 15 & 16. jody Dec 2012 #5
I call BS RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #6
Please read PA(1776) & VT(1777) constitutions and learn about the right to defend self and property. jody Dec 2012 #7
You might want to learn the structure of the English language. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #10
Apparently you haven't read the Heller opinion. State constitutions written before our Constitutions jody Dec 2012 #11
So do many other writings of the founders. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #13
I picked them because they were the first states to declare rights and they were written before our jody Dec 2012 #19
I cherry pick Hamilton in Federalist 29 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #41
Nice add ... the founders were not in agreement on all things. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #55
Yup. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #58
Please quote the section of FP 29 that says what you think it does. X_Digger Dec 2012 #57
No, it's not. Igel Dec 2012 #18
So now, please reframe the 2nd Amendment to fit your model. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #34
Hamilton will agree with you in Federalist 29 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #42
Thank you for rationality... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #30
The subject is "the right of the people..." immoderate Dec 2012 #36
The right of the people to keep and bear arms is in support of the well regulated Militia, so JoePhilly Dec 2012 #37
Exactly! RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #63
Where did you learn the English language RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #62
The militia clause is a gerund clause. Technically, there is no verb. immoderate Dec 2012 #65
The dates (1776 and 1777) being the pertinent Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #12
Come on, that's been ridiculed so many times it's no longer funny. nt jody Dec 2012 #24
Not by any of the mentally stable, socially responsible people I know... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #35
Apparently I'm the only one of those you've met and you won't listen to me. jody Dec 2012 #40
Don't flatter yourself...and I won't either. Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #45
You should also notice it makes no mention of the "purchase" of said weapons. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #14
And "sale and purchase is not mentioned" for tools to exercise the other rights. What BS. jody Dec 2012 #16
Not really ... you've heard of the right to free speech, yes? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #17
So you support someone possessing any firearm they construct? nt jody Dec 2012 #20
I think that is closer to what the founders intended. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21
3D printing really opens up the options for those who want to make their own. nt jody Dec 2012 #23
At least when you gave up, you did so in an obvious manner. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #27
LOL have a blissful evening. nt jody Dec 2012 #29
You didn't need to quit twice. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #33
Ha! neverforget Dec 2012 #38
Well I do - but they have to test fire it personally intaglio Dec 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jody Dec 2012 #28
In other words you have no reply except to imply I am a drug addict intaglio Dec 2012 #66
I found your post difficult to follow. You say "Essentially you lack knowledge of subordinate jody Dec 2012 #67
No Heller did NOT test the priority of the clauses intaglio Dec 2012 #68
We disagree. Please explain why the opinion and dissent discussions of the clauses do not jody Dec 2012 #69
intaglio please explain how "Heller did NOT test the priority of the clauses". jody Dec 2012 #70
I think you got this right ... those who don't want to find a solution prefer to JoePhilly Dec 2012 #31
No, because if you read it correctly RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #64
NO NO NO...its about the security of the state, not personal defense sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #32
C: None of the above. nt Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #26
In the 18th century the militia also served in constabulary roles nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #47
Yeahs it you asked nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #50
What do you mean backwards nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #51
A well regulated Militia says nothing about how we care for the mentally ill. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #49
Joe. never mind. I am self-deleting. You guys have fun. I am outta this thread. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #52
I'm not sure we are having fun ... but you should as always decide where you want to debate JoePhilly Dec 2012 #53
looks to me like you guys are having a whale of a feel good time. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #54
In a day and age where the Constitution has been trampled by the Bush Admin rhett o rick Dec 2012 #46
Best summary of the 2nd Amendment bongbong Dec 2012 #56
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59
Interestingly enough, every time someone speaks in front of an NRA backdrop these days, Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #71
Guns kill people, not people...to take away the guns!!! chirurgdecreier Dec 2012 #60
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