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KoKo

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99. Eventually we should hear. Some of us have thought he might have been on

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:09 PM

Dec 2012

a new medication and these medications affect people differently. The drug warnings on these meds are enough to cause concern.

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Asperger’s/Mental Illness/Gun control are Red Herrings? Adam was taking controversial drug FANAPT [View all] No Compromise Dec 2012 OP

Could have been he stopped taking it, too. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

Or it could be that this is an unsubstantiated internet rumor posted by a very new poster who has an Squinch Dec 2012 #116

I don't see anything relevant to firearms regulation in this line of questioning. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #160

The title is saying that gun control is a red herring. Squinch Dec 2012 #161

I guess I dismissed the subject line as meaningless babble. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #164

The story I posted is still there- why are you saying that please? No Compromise Dec 2012 #174

Googling "FANAPT" and "Newtown shooter", or "FANAPT and Squinch Dec 2012 #186

The story you posted used another as its source and that source has recanted or at least doesn't uppityperson Dec 2012 #194

or someone paid them to remove it- let the media call the uncle in question and find out No Compromise Dec 2012 #203

look I hate guns, won't have one in the house, I am a vegetarian for God's sake No Compromise Dec 2012 #170

"people have not been resorting to gun violence" Oilwellian Dec 2012 #209

Lawyer DeCamp worked on Columbine and judge would not allow evidence on drugs SugarShack Dec 2012 #157

Anti-psychotic drugs are probably not the chief cause of psychosis. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #2

Clearly anti-psychotic drugs do not CAUSE psychosis, elleng Dec 2012 #8

When you hear the ads for these drugs, listen when they list side effects. louis-t Dec 2012 #31

Studies on the NIH.GOV website concur green for victory Dec 2012 #67

+1 KoKo Dec 2012 #85

But an anti-depressant and an anti-psychotic are two different things. nt pnwmom Dec 2012 #114

True...but, I'm going to post to you what I did below..Re: Paradoxical Reactions to Drugs KoKo Dec 2012 #196

And, My Personal Reactions to Two Drugs: KoKo Dec 2012 #197

People here are mixing up anti-depressants and anti-psychotics. They're not the same. pnwmom Dec 2012 #119

"unpleasant symptoms" include neuro-malignant syndrome, diabetes, and so on. Official PDR reports Cetacea Dec 2012 #175

I think there are two different issues. pnwmom Dec 2012 #201

But...don't confine this to one particular drug..He must have been on others KoKo Dec 2012 #202

But schizophrenia and psychosis has existed forever . . . if drugs or something pnwmom Dec 2012 #208

And, My Personal Reactions to Two Drugs: (Benadryl being One) KoKo Dec 2012 #210

Remeber though that some have reactions to Penicillin and some to Sulfate drugs KoKo Dec 2012 #211

side effects of Fanapt womanofthehills Dec 2012 #69

and someone prescribed this to him??? elleng Dec 2012 #84

Eventually we should hear. Some of us have thought he might have been on KoKo Dec 2012 #99

that's just about everything! mrsadm Dec 2012 #101

This is like people saying that hospitals are dangerous places because people die of cancer there. pnwmom Dec 2012 #126

Holy Moly, Mother of God.... ReRe Dec 2012 #163

Some anti-depressants have suicidal thoughts as a side effect KittyWampus Dec 2012 #39

'I used to be depressed, now I just want to kill myself' Hugabear Dec 2012 #66

But this isn't an anti-depressant, according to the uncle. It's an anti-psychotic. pnwmom Dec 2012 #129

C'mon. It's got the word "anti" in it... SidDithers Dec 2012 #171

But if they are prescribed, and if that is the case here, it means someone diagnosed sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58

Some of it may be due to HappyMe Dec 2012 #92

True, but my point was that the family knows and it is then their responsibility to take steps sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #158

What you said, in spades Demeter Dec 2012 #133

It sounds like the mother may have had her own issues. pnwmom Dec 2012 #173

IIRC I saw a set of articles similar to this published by the Scientologists. cliffordu Dec 2012 #3

maybe this is crazy? But let's force the media to pursue this.... No Compromise Dec 2012 #12

We need to end Big Pharma mikeysnot Dec 2012 #107

Yes, get rid of the ads LeftInTX Dec 2012 #128

But if guns are at issue, that must be a red herring. OK. Squinch Dec 2012 #118

I am sorry that I upset you with that headline- I was just adding to the NY Mag headline No Compromise Dec 2012 #180

Except there is no credible source that he was. uppityperson Dec 2012 #199

NY magazine still has it up, guess they haven't been paid off yet No Compromise Dec 2012 #204

If the stories are true, what matters who publishes them? J/S. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #20

the publisher might be a good indication the stories are not true FreeBC Dec 2012 #75

will you believe the US GOV? green for victory Dec 2012 #111

The One and Only time I ever took anti depressants within two weeks CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #4

Dangerous for some, for others they save lives, and lives around them. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #34

you are joking? No Compromise Dec 2012 #36

and I took Zoloft for post-partum and it helped immensely KSstellarcat Dec 2012 #88

My daughter was on depression meds throughout high school, Lexapro and the lowest dosage possible. PATXgirl Dec 2012 #113

And so is femrap Dec 2012 #195

Sometimes it isn't the LACK of access to mental health care, it's the ACCESS itself Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #5

You don't even have to be depressed for a doctor to ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #13

Yes. This is something many people don't realize Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #32

I fell for it once - right after ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #45

I'm starting to get it! green for victory Dec 2012 #62

zyban = wellbutrin, sarafem = prozac. it's criminal. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #127

Different antidepressants work in different ways TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #53

I understand that - ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #80

"I had bad side effects and wasn't interested in taking an antidepressant they kept insisting" No Compromise Dec 2012 #183

I wonder if they get kick backs ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #198

Don't doctors already make enough $$ ? What kind of sick bastard would push crap No Compromise Dec 2012 #205

Greedy bastards. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #212

What is your experience with mental health treatment? upaloopa Dec 2012 #14

Maybe you should read more of the SSRI effects on young people. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #22

You didn't answer my question. I could read books and upaloopa Dec 2012 #38

He was 20 BainsBane Dec 2012 #150

It is clear that (some) meds offer tremendous help to (some) people Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #23

I work for county alcohol drug and mental health services and you? upaloopa Dec 2012 #42

You say "I suffer from depression, anxiety and ADHD . . . meds since 1994" Do they affect your jody Dec 2012 #30

Yes they do if I don't take the meds. upaloopa Dec 2012 #44

Thanks for the reply and I'm so glad you found meds that help you live a normal life. I have several jody Dec 2012 #55

I had trouble when I got back from Vietnam upaloopa Dec 2012 #63

I to was in Vietnam. Have happy holidays brother. jody Dec 2012 #78

Same to you upaloopa Dec 2012 #94

Are you trying to say that people with mental health challenges do not have valid or Care Acutely Dec 2012 #50

If you are asking me I am not saying that upaloopa Dec 2012 #102

A lot of other people seem to be implying that. The amount of discrimation and insensitivity is wack Cetacea Dec 2012 #188

Actually I've been treated for all three. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #49

I agree everyone is different and so does the medical upaloopa Dec 2012 #57

I agree, upaloopa SCRUBDASHRUB Dec 2012 #83

+111111 cliffordu Dec 2012 #16

The drugs are being given in lieu of more costly counseling and hospitalization. freshwest Dec 2012 #48

Completely agree n/t Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #61

Agree 100%. Bring back the human side of the equation. freshwest Dec 2012 #56

+++1 Careful now, there's NO way, Pharma isn't lurking this issue. & You've just proposed revolution patrice Dec 2012 #124

I blame these shooting on mercury in vaccines... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #6

you are completely ignoring the possibility of alien possession FreeBC Dec 2012 #79

By any name, still a one-trick pony. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #86

Even factoring that possibliity in, the numerous Skidmore Dec 2012 #7

Millions take anti depressants including myself and don't upaloopa Dec 2012 #9

If you take'em, they're the cause, and if you don't take 'em, they're the cause... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #17

Exactly. They were in mental health care and its the cause (meds), or they weren't and its the cause riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #60

Millions have guns and never shoot anybody but yet ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #18

Of course, it only has these negative consequences in a small percentage of the population No Compromise Dec 2012 #19

I'm sure it had something to do with $$$$. nt valerief Dec 2012 #106

My 88-yr-old mother has smoked since 25, and doesn't have lung cancer. WHAT'S YOUR IRRELEVANT POINT? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #25

Sadly, when it comes to treating mental illness, the doctors often don't know what they're doing. reformist2 Dec 2012 #10

From drugs.com: psychiatric side effects of fanapt. s-cubed Dec 2012 #11

The treament sounds worse than whatever would be treated by this drug. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #15

That particular drug seems to have a shady if not corrupt history. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #21

I will be waiting to hear from the first MSM source to develop this angle...and waiting no doubt Supersedeas Dec 2012 #89

The FDA works for the good...lNOT!!!!! Gin Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, right, it's the drugs, it's the illness, IT'S NEVER THE GUNS. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #24

Nobody is saying that. But SSRI drugs + side effects + guns can = homicide/suicide. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #26

Actually, that is what this poster is saying. Gun control as "red herring". TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #40

some people have guns and don't behave this way, so normally we look at cause and effect No Compromise Dec 2012 #70

Actually, I'm perfectly fine with "no one can have guns" as a first TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #81

"some people have guns and don't behave this way." Right. Like Mrs. Lanza. She was a responsible Squinch Dec 2012 #112

+1000. The gunners truly don't want to examine THAT nexus riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #64

Yes--completely agree. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #76

Yes, well. Haven't you heard? Guns are a red herring. Says this brand new poster. Who is Squinch Dec 2012 #138

The drugs are very bad. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #27

Paxil ended the drugs for my bi-polar daughter HockeyMom Dec 2012 #47

I'm bipolar. I was on Paxil. TrogL Dec 2012 #103

she was lucky marions ghost Dec 2012 #185

Bingo. He killed 26 people with a barrage of Fanapt 11cents Dec 2012 #28

FINALLY. Myrina Dec 2012 #29

I've been on and off anti-depressants since I was 15 justiceischeap Dec 2012 #51

I've been on WellButrin for 6 years ... Myrina Dec 2012 #65

Well, there's the problem. justiceischeap Dec 2012 #68

conspiracy woo bullshit. Clue: it was guns that killed those kids. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #33

Thank you for posting this. ananda Dec 2012 #35

His mother had a responsibility to have the firearms locked up. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #37

and if not possible to protect them from him 100%, obligation to REMOVE FROM THE HOUSE. elleng Dec 2012 #93

YES ! KILL THE WISE ONE Dec 2012 #146

Most of the time insurance companies won't cover therapy AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #41

Don't know about 'most of the time.' elleng Dec 2012 #96

employees in the private sector AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #105

Mom was a public school teacher. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #149

Your tinfoil hat's on too tight. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #43

what is being talked about is when insanely easy access to firearms green for victory Dec 2012 #73

using a gun Lordquinton Dec 2012 #190

kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46

An emotionally unstable person pulled that trigger. Gregorian Dec 2012 #52

Top Ten Legal Drugs Linked to Violence No Compromise Dec 2012 #54

You missed one - ALCOHOL! TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #91

How many meds do you see advertised daily on TV which list "suicidal thoughts and actions" Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #59

my friend wanted to kill herself on Cipro womanofthehills Dec 2012 #71

We definitely need to go "level up" on big pharma, especially where people's and others' lives are Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #108

they also mention to see a doctor is you have them Lordquinton Dec 2012 #192

So fucking what? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #72

You seem to be angry that some want to discuss this green for victory Dec 2012 #90

I'd be dead without anti-depressants melody Dec 2012 #74

holy crap trailmonkee Dec 2012 #77

Once again, if guns were not SheilaT Dec 2012 #82

Agreed. SCRUBDASHRUB Dec 2012 #87

The media has gotten so much wrong with this story. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #95

Right and not unusual, elleng Dec 2012 #100

You drug up kids at a young age, take away their recess and play time, give them violent video games valerief Dec 2012 #97

How much of it is the disease, and how much a reaction to the medication or withdrawal from them? leveymg Dec 2012 #98

Doesn't make gun control a "red herring." yellowcanine Dec 2012 #109

And his mother may have survived to help other mothers learn what to do & what NOT to do. patrice Dec 2012 #117

PHARMA speaking, "No need to change parenting/school/community/culture, just take the right pill!" patrice Dec 2012 #110

I have been on 4 different anti depressants since I was 20. Jennicut Dec 2012 #115

"Paradoxical Effects" on some people with Anti-Depressents...... KoKo Dec 2012 #132

SSRI-Induced Psychosis... redStateBlueHeart Dec 2012 #120

Your OP would be more credible if you didn't say gun control is a red herring. Prometheus Bound Dec 2012 #121

Please note: News reports talking about Fanapt have been withdrawn; 'uncle' may be bogus muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #122

Thanks for that....although it's likely he was either on some med or had gone off one KoKo Dec 2012 #134

yes, one size does not fit all. No Compromise Dec 2012 #207

Ah, the Daily News. Such a fortress of quality journalism. progressoid Dec 2012 #135

Yes they are red herrings. All of them. 99Forever Dec 2012 #123

+1. They are all red herrings. No access to guns means nobody gets shut up. Ever. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #166

Absolutely! 99Forever Dec 2012 #169

This what they RegieRocker Dec 2012 #125

Two thoughts naturallyselected Dec 2012 #130

Hoooooold on a second. progressoid Dec 2012 #131

OP, "***IF*** this were the case, it would not be the first time...." (emphasis added). nt patrice Dec 2012 #136

OP's title says "Adam was taking controversial drug FANAPT" progressoid Dec 2012 #141

IF it were guns that killed these children, THAT wouldn't be the first time either. Squinch Dec 2012 #143

Like saying insulin causes daibetic ketoacidosis since most people who get DKA take insulin. McCamy Taylor Dec 2012 #137

Anyone prescribed these drugs should be put in the NICS registry. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #139

Bravo! Excellent post! Now we're talking about real solutions green for victory Dec 2012 #154

Thank you for your concern. aquart Dec 2012 #140

The original poster says: Squinch Dec 2012 #147

So who is John2 Dec 2012 #142

BINGO! This is the true heart of the matter, not the guns, though instrumental, the issue is big mother earth Dec 2012 #144

Is this drug widely prescribed only in the US? LanternWaste Dec 2012 #145

Well, that's certainly an unimpeachable source. KamaAina Dec 2012 #148

each entry is sourced green for victory Dec 2012 #152

Someone reaching a different conclusion is not indicative LanternWaste Dec 2012 #156

try this- the database at ssristories is sortable green for victory Dec 2012 #184

To be clear: Autistics Have Empathy for Others. Ilsa Dec 2012 #151

you just explained it in a way I've never heard before renate Dec 2012 #162

You're welcome! My son has been getting training Ilsa Dec 2012 #200

Constitutional rights of privacy mean that no one can get at the drug intake of gun owners. ancianita Dec 2012 #153

So if this were true and not just thought of Cha Dec 2012 #155

There was no uncle. progressoid Dec 2012 #159

Thanks, progressoid Cha Dec 2012 #165

it is linked at the new york daily magazine which has not scrubbed anything No Compromise Dec 2012 #172

Feel free to follow your link to the source. Then cut and paste your proof. progressoid Dec 2012 #177

Thank you for a well-researched post, No Compromise, and WELCOME TO DU!! loudsue Dec 2012 #167

It is not a well researched post. progressoid Dec 2012 #168

Oh ffs... SidDithers Dec 2012 #181

I'm calling bullshit until you come up with a better source... SidDithers Dec 2012 #176

No credible sourcing for the claim about Lanza and the drug. This is tinfoil hat CT crap. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #178

Psychotropic drugs + access to weapons of mass destruction...What could possibly go wrong? Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #179

26 people, mowed down in minutes, 3 to 11 wounds in each body... countryjake Dec 2012 #182

these drugs are being prescribed within the autism community/ parents are floundering barbaraj Dec 2012 #187

Does it bother anyone else that this poster is on a first name basis thucythucy Dec 2012 #189

It bothers me since the whole OP based on inacurate information. LisaL Dec 2012 #191

NO HE WAS NOT. The article your link uses as its source does not have that on it. uppityperson Dec 2012 #193

could he have killed all those children without his guns? bowens43 Dec 2012 #206

Locking REP Dec 2012 #213