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Marengo

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35. As I recall...

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:06 AM

Dec 2012

In the late 18th century, weapons which were crew served such as cannon, mortars, grenades, etc., were generally refered to as ordinance. Muskets, carbines, & pistols as arms. It's been a number of years since I studied the subject, but I do remember a common reference at the time to a "stand of arms" which included a musket, bayonet, and cartridge box. Essentially, the standard infantry arm of the day and the basic elements to render it operational as a weapon in the field.

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You have the right to own a musket and make the musket balls in your house. [View all] SoonerPride Dec 2012 OP

I like it Politicalboi Dec 2012 #1

and only witin a well-regulated (meaning regulations!) militia. nt valerief Dec 2012 #3

Yep! nt Tumbulu Dec 2012 #16

And when the goofs show up here to insist you use a quill pen Loudly Dec 2012 #2

The Constitution and Bill of Rights don't mention quill pens. nt valerief Dec 2012 #8

It doesn't mention muskets either... Marengo Dec 2012 #10

That's a technical dead-end for them. Chan790 Dec 2012 #23

As I recall... Marengo Dec 2012 #35

I think you are right. ElbarDee Dec 2012 #51

In the Marine Corps, we were issued six magazines... Marengo Dec 2012 #63

What is 782 gear? ElbarDee Dec 2012 #64

782 refers to the basic equipment issue... Marengo Dec 2012 #65

You recall slightly incorrectly. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #57

LOL!...Thanks, as you can see, it's been a while Marengo Dec 2012 #62

Well thats whats was available... Historic NY Dec 2012 #24

Freedom of speech Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #21

Your NRA talking pointt was predicted above. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25

Did you know that there are still words you can't use on network television? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #43

Are you an NRA supporter? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #52

I support the second amendment Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #56

You're answering a question I did not ask. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #58

On the issue of the second admendment I agree with the NRA. Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #59

Should we apply the same logic to the rest of the bill of rights? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #4

What else has changed so much? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #31

Slavery and who can vote obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #49

Real good one RegieRocker Dec 2012 #5

false SoonerPride Dec 2012 #12

You are completely wrong. axetogrind Dec 2012 #19

Replace "tank" with nuclear warhead. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #44

That's absurd. axetogrind Dec 2012 #46

Recently, Scalia made a comment on this you might want to watch. Not Absurd at all. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #48

I hate to barge in here, but you can own a tank. Glassunion Dec 2012 #20

Why do you wish to so radically restrict your freedom of speech? . . . Journeyman Dec 2012 #6

So clffrdjk Dec 2012 #7

i have no freedom to post here. SoonerPride Dec 2012 #9

Agreed this sight is a private entity clffrdjk Dec 2012 #13

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #32

Apparently not clffrdjk Dec 2012 #34

Actually, a strict reading of the constitution could narrow the definition of "arms" JoePhilly Dec 2012 #45

We need to think the way the founders did when the 2nd amendment was written liberal N proud Dec 2012 #11

But grape and chain shot did ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #17

Grapeshot refers to artillery, not personal weapons liberal N proud Dec 2012 #37

20 round "assault weapons" did, though.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #26

Ya beat me to it! derby378 Dec 2012 #29

It was an Austrian weapon, How many of those do you suspect were used in the US at the time? liberal N proud Dec 2012 #36

Lewis and Clark carried one in 1804. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #38

The 2nd amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791 liberal N proud Dec 2012 #39

And the Girandoni was made in 1790. So yes, it was known at the time. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #40

In Europe liberal N proud Dec 2012 #41

M. Lewis was one of the first to have one. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #42

New technology that was not widely accepted or understood by those who ratified the 2nd amendment liberal N proud Dec 2012 #50

Did you not know that the henry was a 'repeater', too? X_Digger Dec 2012 #54

I used to do that with my dad Major Nikon Dec 2012 #14

What other rights would you roll back to the late 1700s ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #15

those items were changed.... SoonerPride Dec 2012 #18

Then say it outright and not use the cutesy but bogus musket thing ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #22

Preach it, brother! derby378 Dec 2012 #27

No so much interested in preaching more in rational calm discussion ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #33

Can I have a Cannon? n/t Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #28

Have you tried B&H in NYC? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #30

Some in this thread miss a critical aspect of your suggestion. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #47

Actually my husband owns 2 rifled muskets LibertyLover Dec 2012 #53

where MrDiaz Dec 2012 #55

I don't remember anyone ever saying I DIDN'T have that right... Clue me in. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #60

Well, there's an original idea. slackmaster Dec 2012 #61

DISAGREE! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR NUCLEAR WEAPONS! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #66