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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. THANK YOU.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 08:45 AM
Jan 2012

I am tired beyond words of seeing legitimate outcries against what is happening to our political system and our country turned into blowback on those who raise them. The list of outrages in this column is alarming and yet it is just a partial list.

We are in serious trouble in this nation, and it is *bipartisan* and has to do with the pervasive corrupting influence of corporate money in our political system. The list in your OP is not a mirage and all of these decisions are having devastating, real-world effects on all of us. Ignoring the pattern and pretending that it is happening only from one side is suicidal, period. You cannot fix a problem if you refuse to acknowledge it, and every Democrat should be deeply invested in addressing this problem. To claim that such concerns are new this year is flatly at odds with reality, as a simple review of DU will show.

Legitimate appraisal of malignant policy and discussion about how to improve the representation of our representatives should NEVER be silenced or swept under the rug in some misguided belief that doing so will help our party or our candidate.

In fact, I am certain that the opposite is true. I have absolutely no doubt that all the hostility and derision and contempt toward anyone who raises these important issues here has driven away more potential Democratic voters than it has attracted.

People who go to the trouble of seeking out political websites are generally not stupid. Why do they seek them out in the first place? Usually because they are already aware of and concerned about what is happening in the country, and they want to learn more and make a difference.

How deeply insulting to come to a site where, we are told, problems must not be mentioned "because it is an election year." As though these potential Democratic voters are stupid and won't notice the problems if we don't talk about them. As though their awareness of these problems weren't probably the reason they came here in the first place. This used to be a website for adult discussions about policy and politics. Now apparently every visitor to this site is a childlike customer to be manipulated and messaged to, because it is too dangerous for us to speak honestly to them. It is disgusting.

I'll tell you what people who come here looking for discussion and perhaps a political party WILL notice. They will notice the absolute contempt hurled at those who attempt to discuss the real problems we are facing, and they may conclude, sadly and completely illegitimately, that Democrats don't give a damn about all these things that are happening to them, and that they are just fine with the road we're on. What happens then? IMO it will be off to some another political group's website to find some people who are being honest about the problems...because, again, YOU CANNOT SOLVE PROBLEMS IF YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.

Thank you for this OP and for refusing to allow it to be smeared and mischaracterized as some attempt to manipulate the vote against Democrats. How utterly beyond the pale. You are absolutely right to end the above post by bringing this discussion back to the question you asked, because it is an important and legitimate question.

"The fight must be every day" eridani Jan 2012 #1
The very difference between an activist and a politician. +1000! Fearless Jan 2012 #2
All of which is to say, why do we only hear these rants just before elections? MADem Jan 2012 #3
Let's get a few things straight. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #4
A lot of people would've voted for such a president into the White House. Selatius Jan 2012 #5
They did, but in the US over the last two decades they were always a minority. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #12
Let's get a few things straight--I wasn't accusing "YOU" of anything, and if the shoe does not fit MADem Jan 2012 #6
Bingo! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #11
THANK YOU. woo me with science Jan 2012 #8
Thank you, woo me! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #14
+ one million to what you both said..jack and woo me xiamiam Jan 2012 #25
Thanks for your comments and pointing out Moyers video - here's the link. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #36
!!!! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #40
Wow! JackR & WMWS......thank you for speaking truth to power! tpsbmam Jan 2012 #44
+1 inna Feb 2012 #45
Maybe you should stop looking to buy ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #20
Whatever. I'm here because I support Democrats for election/reelection. MADem Jan 2012 #22
Apparently "we" only hear them just before an election because A Simple Game Jan 2012 #29
No, "we" pay attention. The drums always beat louder the nearer we get to convention season. nt MADem Jan 2012 #30
At the start of his term, the self anointed 'Supporters' were angry at criticism of his Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #47
Well, it's not like people weren't "allowed" to complain about it back then. I was one of 'em. MADem Mar 2012 #48
Lots of words. Pick your arugument. Your first 'concern' was that criticism comes too late. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #49
Well, we're done here. MADem Mar 2012 #50
So go vote for Lyndon LaRouche and take this latest hyperbolic rant with you. Some of us would like RBInMaine Jan 2012 #7
+1 nt MADem Jan 2012 #9
+ 2 denbot Jan 2012 #23
True of you as well. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #37
This is a shameful response, very familiar because... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #10
Hypothetically speaking , if there was a Lyndon LaRouche Underground… Larry Ogg Jan 2012 #13
They might be smarter than that, though. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #15
I didn't recall anything about LaRouche until RBInMaine told you to vote for him... Larry Ogg Jan 2012 #21
OBAMA BAAAAAADDDDDDDDD!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #17
The narrative is falling apart, it is making them defensive emulatorloo Jan 2012 #27
Some of us would think of our Country first. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #31
I would vote for that person if they were running against a republican in a heartbeat. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16
I'd ProSense Jan 2012 #18
Damn right. nt MADem Jan 2012 #24
+1000 Thank you ProSense SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #32
We'll knock over a couple of your bogus propaganda packets... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #34
Oh, and here's the latest from Human Rights Watch... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #39
K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #19
Sounds like Sullivan really hit a nerve. Lots of "damage control" by those invested in pushing emulatorloo Jan 2012 #26
Bingo. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #35
Wow- that was worth the read. Thanks! Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #28
I would have voted for the Democrat running for office. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #33
You say. Life Long Dem Jan 2012 #38
"The fight must be about the issues, every day, not merely for or against a leader..." redqueen Jan 2012 #41
Your point is not without merit. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42
If it's not calling him out then it just isn't... redqueen Jan 2012 #43
A rec for your post from this leftist - TBF Mar 2012 #46
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