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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
4. Let's get a few things straight.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:16 AM
Jan 2012

I am reading a column. Like it or not. You're the one who is hearing "rants" and making the false association with voter participation. You and I are not "we."

If you don't hear such criticism at the start of the term, maybe that's because one actually gives them a chance! However, your objection that this criticism has only suddenly appeared is hard to believe: I was advancing many of these criticisms on this forum years ago, and if you only just noticed them (from me or many others) then perhaps it was you who wasn't paying attention.

All of the above, in response to the attitudes you expressed, merely distracts from the factual presentation. Do you have any objections to it? Here it is again:

(1) Codify indefinite detention into law; (2) draw up a secret kill list of people, including American citizens, to assassinate without due process; (3) proceed with warrantless spying on American citizens; (4) prosecute Bush-era whistleblowers for violating state secrets; (5) reinterpret the War Powers Resolution such that entering a war of choice without a Congressional declaration is permissible; (6) enter and prosecute such a war; (7) institutionalize naked scanners and intrusive full body pat-downs in major American airports; (8) oversee a planned expansion of TSA so that its agents are already beginning to patrol American highways, train stations, and bus depots; (9) wage an undeclared drone war on numerous Muslim countries that delegates to the CIA the final call about some strikes that put civilians in jeopardy; (10) invoke the state-secrets privilege to dismiss lawsuits brought by civil-liberties organizations on dubious technicalities rather than litigating them on the merits; (11) preside over federal raids on medical marijuana dispensaries; (12) attempt to negotiate an extension of American troops in Iraq beyond 2011 (an effort that thankfully failed); (14) reauthorize the Patriot Act; (13) and select an economic team mostly made up of former and future financial executives from Wall Street firms that played major roles in the financial crisis.


It hurts to see it, but it's worse when you close your eyes and pretend it's not there. One needs to look past any given administration and see that the emerging authoritarian state has been several decades in the making, under all presidents.

But as the question went: "How would you have reacted in 2008 if any Republican ran promising to do the following?" Can you ask yourself that?

"The fight must be every day" eridani Jan 2012 #1
The very difference between an activist and a politician. +1000! Fearless Jan 2012 #2
All of which is to say, why do we only hear these rants just before elections? MADem Jan 2012 #3
Let's get a few things straight. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #4
A lot of people would've voted for such a president into the White House. Selatius Jan 2012 #5
They did, but in the US over the last two decades they were always a minority. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #12
Let's get a few things straight--I wasn't accusing "YOU" of anything, and if the shoe does not fit MADem Jan 2012 #6
Bingo! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #11
THANK YOU. woo me with science Jan 2012 #8
Thank you, woo me! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #14
+ one million to what you both said..jack and woo me xiamiam Jan 2012 #25
Thanks for your comments and pointing out Moyers video - here's the link. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #36
!!!! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #40
Wow! JackR & WMWS......thank you for speaking truth to power! tpsbmam Jan 2012 #44
+1 inna Feb 2012 #45
Maybe you should stop looking to buy ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #20
Whatever. I'm here because I support Democrats for election/reelection. MADem Jan 2012 #22
Apparently "we" only hear them just before an election because A Simple Game Jan 2012 #29
No, "we" pay attention. The drums always beat louder the nearer we get to convention season. nt MADem Jan 2012 #30
At the start of his term, the self anointed 'Supporters' were angry at criticism of his Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #47
Well, it's not like people weren't "allowed" to complain about it back then. I was one of 'em. MADem Mar 2012 #48
Lots of words. Pick your arugument. Your first 'concern' was that criticism comes too late. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #49
Well, we're done here. MADem Mar 2012 #50
So go vote for Lyndon LaRouche and take this latest hyperbolic rant with you. Some of us would like RBInMaine Jan 2012 #7
+1 nt MADem Jan 2012 #9
+ 2 denbot Jan 2012 #23
True of you as well. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #37
This is a shameful response, very familiar because... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #10
Hypothetically speaking , if there was a Lyndon LaRouche Underground… Larry Ogg Jan 2012 #13
They might be smarter than that, though. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #15
I didn't recall anything about LaRouche until RBInMaine told you to vote for him... Larry Ogg Jan 2012 #21
OBAMA BAAAAAADDDDDDDDD!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #17
The narrative is falling apart, it is making them defensive emulatorloo Jan 2012 #27
Some of us would think of our Country first. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #31
I would vote for that person if they were running against a republican in a heartbeat. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16
I'd ProSense Jan 2012 #18
Damn right. nt MADem Jan 2012 #24
+1000 Thank you ProSense SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #32
We'll knock over a couple of your bogus propaganda packets... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #34
Oh, and here's the latest from Human Rights Watch... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #39
K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #19
Sounds like Sullivan really hit a nerve. Lots of "damage control" by those invested in pushing emulatorloo Jan 2012 #26
Bingo. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #35
Wow- that was worth the read. Thanks! Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #28
I would have voted for the Democrat running for office. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #33
You say. Life Long Dem Jan 2012 #38
"The fight must be about the issues, every day, not merely for or against a leader..." redqueen Jan 2012 #41
Your point is not without merit. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42
If it's not calling him out then it just isn't... redqueen Jan 2012 #43
A rec for your post from this leftist - TBF Mar 2012 #46
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