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EarlG

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Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:25 PM Feb 2025

It's good to see protests, but I wonder if the pro-democracy, anti-billionaire framing is right for this moment [View all]

I'm glad to see people out there organizing peaceful protests. It's imperative that we can show a groundswell of public dissatisfaction with Trump's policies.

However, I wonder if we're using the right framing. There's certainly nothing wrong with protesting in favor of democracy or against billionaires. The problem I see with this framing though is that a lot of people actually seem to like billionaires. And clearly a lot of people voted on purpose for the shitstorm we're now seeing. In fact, we just ran an entire pro-democracy campaign which was defeated at the polls.

So while I believe that Elon Musk's presence in government is indeed a political weak point in the Trump administration which can be exploited, and while I believe that OBVIOUSLY being pro-democracy is the way to go, maybe we shouldn't be framing these as pro-democracy protests in opposition to billionaire oligarchs. We already ran that campaign and lost. Because after all, America is the land of opportunity, and the myth of the American dream is that anyone who works hard enough can become Elon Musk. We know that is not true, of course, but the myth persists.

So while Musk is running roughshod over the federal government, perhaps we should be EXPLICITLY framing these protests as "pro-Constitution." Because while it's not too difficult to argue against anti-billionaire protests (see: "Why are you so jealous of rich people?") it is much harder -- if not impossible -- to argue against the Constitution. Because the Constitution IS America, and without it, there is no America. And you can't have an American dream without an America.

People who serve this country, all the way up to the president, swear oaths to the Constitution. Now, Trump and Musk are moving to undermine people's belief that the Constitution is a valid document. So I say, well then just come right out and say that. If you don't believe in the Constitution -- if you don't believe in co-equal branches of government, checks and balances, and the rule of law -- then just come right out and say it. Stop using weasel words and say it to our faces.

For decades Republicans all across this land have managed to get people to believe that they -- not Democrats -- are the true guardians of the Constitution. Their actions are now wildly disproving that claim, and they are giving us a massive political opportunity.

We are now the defenders of the Constitution -- against enemies foreign and domestic -- and we should be inviting Republicans to join our peaceful pro-Constitution protests, and stand up for the Constitution. If and when they decline to join, press them on it. Do you still believe that the Constitution is valid? Why won't you stand up and defend the Constitution? If they are office holders, ask them if they disagree with their own oaths of office.

Imagine a massive pro-Constitution march on Washington. It wouldn't have to be overtly politically partisan. It wouldn't even have to mention Trump. The purpose would be to show that hundreds of thousands of people from all across the country are willing to march in support of the nation's founding document. And if you want to attempt to argue against and/or demean that, then please proceed I guess.

If we demonstrate clear support for the Constitution, then it throws a much bigger spotlight onto the clearly anti-Constitutional and un-American actions of Musk and Trump. Bringing the Constitution to the forefront would remind people that without the nation's founding framework, this isn't America any more. It's just a nation of lawlessness and chaos.

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Good point n/t Lulu KC Feb 2025 #1
Just oligarchs works for me, there is no set dollar amount Uncle Joe Feb 2025 #2
People are against Musk because of what he is doing, not because he is rich. dalton99a Feb 2025 #3
And that number is growing exponentially PortTack Feb 2025 #20
+1. He's hurting tens of thousands of federal workers and their families basically for shits and giggles dalton99a Feb 2025 #28
The total lack of understanding of how govt works is also stunning. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #40
+1. He knows to use government for free money and regulatory protection against competition to great effect. dalton99a Feb 2025 #43
Exactly. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #44
Well put DFW Feb 2025 #4
My sign says 'Musk is a Bond Villain' alittlelark Feb 2025 #5
The Horatio Alger myth orangecrush Feb 2025 #6
personally, i'd like to see a focus on the moral bankruptcy of the ruling elite. start w epstein's list. mopinko Feb 2025 #7
as a Party, we'll be wandering in the wilderness until we reclaim the Populist label from the GOP. WarGamer Feb 2025 #8
Russell Voght came out and said it. Qutzupalotl Feb 2025 #9
Doing what the billionaires wanted is how we are in this mess. Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #10
Yes. The idea that Americans consider the wealthy members of the hated "Them" in the populist Us vs Them betsuni Feb 2025 #11
I think people are getting angrier at the billionaires by the day. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #12
+1 leftstreet Feb 2025 #13
as well they should. The disparity is obscene. They just keep cleaning the trough and hoard it. Few exceptions. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #24
I agree. The GOP tax scheme budget bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #25
I have always thought one of the obstacles has been that some people think yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #39
Yes, probably multiple factors Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #41
I'm more inclined to let those folks define what they're protesting for bigtree Feb 2025 #14
There are many, many entities organizing different groups around different messages right now. Pushing for WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2025 #15
We should definitely be pushing the anti-constitutional behavior of Elon Musk and DOGE. GoodRaisin Feb 2025 #16
like schoolhouse rock said... eShirl Feb 2025 #17
I would also like the continual referring to him as a FELON to end. Abolishinist Feb 2025 #18
President Musk & the First Felon. CrispyQ Feb 2025 #32
Democratic billionaires and other pro democracy billionaires Meowmee Feb 2025 #19
The ruling class has no interest in opposing the ruling class. Voltaire2 Feb 2025 #30
Yes, they do Meowmee Feb 2025 #45
Good idea! Wild blueberry Feb 2025 #21
Agreed. highplainsdem Feb 2025 #22
IMHO, we must do both. Passages Feb 2025 #23
Diverse signage demanding equity for all would be inclusive of everyone's concerns. Harker Feb 2025 #26
Pro-Constitution, Anti-Monarchy Pinback Feb 2025 #27
Left populism is the answer to right populism. nt. Voltaire2 Feb 2025 #29
When another Luigi can't take any more, aocommunalpunch Feb 2025 #31
It's a very valid OP. bucolic_frolic Feb 2025 #33
good points one and all et tu Feb 2025 #34
"the Constitution IS America, and without it, there is no America" says it NoSheep Feb 2025 #35
"Why won't you stand up and defend the Constitution?" Yes, THIS is the framing. Beartracks Feb 2025 #36
Let's start countering the myth of bootstrap billionaires. And tie them to slavery. Clouds Passing Feb 2025 #37
Thank you! yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #38
Very good post misanthrope Feb 2025 #42
Does that mean that eating the fuckers is out of the question? Getting caught up Autumn Feb 2025 #46
Or... kentuck Feb 2025 #47
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