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61. I'm talking about the majority of crimes, not the corner case of spree shootings

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:03 AM

Dec 2012

All of these spree shooters went from zero to psychopath in thirty seconds, and hadn't had previous criminal records. How do you stop that?

The estranged husband who shoots up his wife's office isn't a criminal...until he is. Ditto for a messed up 20 year old kid who massacred 20 first graders Friday morning.

Very good distinction, because the orders of magnitude more common cases where the estranged husband shoots his wife and the messed up 20 year old who shoots his dealer are previously criminals, nearly every time. And that's 8,000 deaths per year.

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Democrats would lose the Senate in 2014 if a serious gun ban were proposed. [View all] banned from Kos Dec 2012 OP

those are all the Democrats least likely to vote for such a measure Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #1

Yes they are. But Dem turnout is weak in a mid-term election. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #2

Blue dogs also lost because of health care reform, despite voting against it. Recursion Dec 2012 #3

Many also lost in '94 even tho they voted against the Brady Bill in '93... Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #5

Honestly people who say "I don't vote the party, I vote the candidate" bug the hell out of me Recursion Dec 2012 #8

+1 PennsylvaniaMatt Dec 2012 #23

Every Democrat in the Senate (including the blue dogs) voted in favor of the ACA... PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #15

I was thinking of the House. Your Gene Taylors and Ike Skeltons Recursion Dec 2012 #18

Some of those are not winnable now. Chan790 Dec 2012 #4

And yet the first AWB expired after Columbine... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #57

There was public support for its' extension... Chan790 Dec 2012 #68

if a serious gun ban passed, so be it spanone Dec 2012 #6

It won't be. The GOP House won't allow such. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #11

Exactly democrattotheend Dec 2012 #27

If someone could come up with a gun ban that would actually keep criminals from getting guns... Recursion Dec 2012 #12

I agree. jorno67 Dec 2012 #7

Not a sure thing some minds are changing. rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #9

You're right. It would also affect Congress. It appears, however, that a great many do not care. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #10

Wow, that's some threat. ProSense Dec 2012 #13

Come up with a ban that will actually keep criminals from getting guns. That would be worth... Recursion Dec 2012 #17

Thanks for the NRA talking points Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #30

I'm talking about the majority of crimes, not the corner case of spree shootings Recursion Dec 2012 #61

Fact check LibertarianMI Jan 2013 #79

This JohLast Dec 2012 #31

That is insane. lbrtbell Dec 2012 #54

+1. Well said friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #58

A 'serious' gun ban isn't in the cards. earthside Dec 2012 #14

I agree with you totally. .... spin Dec 2012 #21

i would have agreed with you on thursday. unblock Dec 2012 #16

Democrats will lose in 2012 if there's still a depression MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #19

The economy was improving just before the election. ... spin Dec 2012 #25

Many losing candidates run on the failed strategy of "I'm not the other guy" Kennah Dec 2012 #28

Great reply. I'll have to memorize your "brilliant" strategy comment for future use. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #42

Awesome quote.. letemrot Dec 2012 #43

Please do Kennah Dec 2012 #45

The wind is at liberals' backs. Gun culture will fall as the white male diminishes. onehandle Dec 2012 #20

Democrats would lose the south if they supported civil rights. The Link Dec 2012 #22

The GOP might lose the House if one isn't Major Nikon Dec 2012 #24

Max Baucus & Mark Pryor would survive. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #26

A gun ban is more effective at electing Republicans than anything Rove can do. Kennah Dec 2012 #29

passing ACA didn't get republicans elected liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #32

Because the nation WANTED it. Clinton's Assault Weapon ban wasn't wanted. Kennah Dec 2012 #33

actually the majority were against ACA when first passed liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #34

Similarly with the AWB Kennah Dec 2012 #35

general violence is down, mass murders involving automatic or semi automics are up liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #36

The argument might work ... Kennah Dec 2012 #38

I think the AWB is the middle ground liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #39

The AWB was seen as radical in 1994, and I think it's seen as even more radical now Kennah Dec 2012 #40

I don't think it is seen as radical now liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #41

Regulating private sales would likely get much bigger support Kennah Dec 2012 #44

there comes a time when you can't be afraid of the politics liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #46

You have to be afraid of the slaughter that could be far worse Kennah Dec 2012 #48

I don't think it is a losing issue liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #49

We shall see--If the politicians think it is Kennah Dec 2012 #51

Not so much "radical" as "stupid", at least the one we passed in 1994 Recursion Dec 2012 #64

Yep! nt Kahuna Dec 2012 #70

I completely disagree. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #37

uh, with the exception of Rockefeller, they're all at big time risk already. cali Dec 2012 #47

Define "serious gun ban." leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #50

OK, find a way to do one without the other Recursion Dec 2012 #62

Many said that was a reason to oppose gay marriage as well. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #52

honestly, I think the ground has shifted this week. Deep13 Dec 2012 #53

I agree this is absolutely no possibility whatsoever of ANY meaningful gun legislation passing Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #55

all of these are Blue Dogs DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #56

So what's your solution to gun violence? Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #59

Tough. It's time to fucking do something. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #63

Thank You Berserker Dec 2012 #71

Looks like my alert got your Republican buddy banned Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #73

This right wing troll UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #72

Well... BrentWil Dec 2012 #65

To save children from dying I would gladly sacrafice these fools. MyNameGoesHere Dec 2012 #66

Generally speaking, gun control is a losing issue for Democrats. Laelth Dec 2012 #67

The NRA helped to defeat Al Gore. Since then, it is the real third rail for Dems. Kahuna Dec 2012 #69

I looked at the list you have here and I suspect you are correct. Sadly. jwirr Dec 2012 #74

8 Senators or 20 dead kids _ed_ Dec 2012 #75

Really, then why did we win 2008 and 2012 because the NRA was 100% against voting for the Dems still_one Dec 2012 #76

If we make it about gun control Politicalboi Dec 2012 #77

AWB a bad idea LibertarianMI Jan 2013 #78