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joshcryer

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183. They used to, see Kazaa, Napster. It's just that there are free speech implications to...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jan 2012

...going after open source software. In that vein the vast majority of file sharing software has been open source, and no one wants to touch it.

Look at the cases: http://torrentfreak.com/judge-decimates-bittorrent-lawsuit-with-common-sense-ruling-110907/

They're just not able to be prosecuted.

In other news France's "three strike law" against file sharers has resulted in France tax payers giving Apple millions of dollars: http://torrentfreak.com/165-french-file-sharers-now-on-3rd-strike-itunes-up-22-5-120119/

With no significant hit to the overall sharing of files (file sharers adapt).

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #1
Copyright infringement is not theft. joshcryer Jan 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #5
I take a loaf of bread, I deprive the store owner of a loaf of bread to sell. joshcryer Jan 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #7
"Intellectual property" is immoral. joshcryer Jan 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #17
Intellectual property is the ownership of information. joshcryer Jan 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #26
Uh, no, it can't. joshcryer Jan 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #35
I wouldn't care. joshcryer Jan 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #41
But, the laws exist, you champion them. joshcryer Jan 2012 #50
hahahahaha BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT joeglow3 Jan 2012 #63
Copyright infringement is not theft. joshcryer Jan 2012 #150
Yes, we have established you want free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #156
Nothing is free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #162
Our conception of intellectual property PETRUS Jan 2012 #158
Fuck yeah. Give it all to me for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #166
That's cute. PETRUS Jan 2012 #174
2 key questions joeglow3 Jan 2012 #176
You should probably direct those questions to the authors of the paper. PETRUS Jan 2012 #179
Good read limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #198
You have a twisted (and fundamentally flawed) view of the motivation behind artistic creation. Edweird Jan 2012 #188
I'd want to see more details than that before I paid it any heed. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #175
Fair questions PETRUS Jan 2012 #177
You do know without intellectual property we'd still be a pre-industrial civilisation, right? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #89
Bull. Intellectual property has been an inherent clog to technological development. joshcryer Jan 2012 #164
Because it is kind of a hard question.... daleanime Jan 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #18
The plaintiff doesn't get to fantasize unchallenged what that "compensation" should have been. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #27
Sorry, it's not a thief (ugh!) and the monetary effects of the copying... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #43
Strain as you might, your argument falters on the attempt JackRiddler Jan 2012 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #71
Excellent that you can cite legal paragraphs that support what I said. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #104
+1 Some bands will put a 'free' sampler on their web page. And a link to buy more! wandy Jan 2012 #88
Don't forget, Bieber himself got popular for doing uncompensated covers of others' songs. joshcryer Jan 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #36
At first, they most certainly were unlicensed. joshcryer Jan 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #68
Let's de-abstract this. Occulus Jan 2012 #77
Singing in a bar does count, look at karaoke licensing. joshcryer Jan 2012 #151
Tesha. Are you fimilar with Tom Petty. wandy Jan 2012 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #106
I agree. I'm starting a fizzy beverage company that sells soft drinks Egalitariat Jan 2012 #82
You should go into law instead, and learn the difference between copyright and trademark. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #111
No. It's not. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #21
"Creativity" doesn't pay, never has. hunter Jan 2012 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #131
Yep, every kid playing basketball on an inner city blacktop is gonna grow up to be Michael Jordan... hunter Jan 2012 #133
Interesting perspective. randome Jan 2012 #134
Not only that, but independent publishing (digitally) continues to go up. joshcryer Jan 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #9
We are no where near there, yet, 10-15 years, though. joshcryer Jan 2012 #11
Thank you. Occulus Jan 2012 #78
Interesting that you can't come up with an example from the last 20 years. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #19
A travesty that defiled the books. No question JackRiddler Jan 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #25
This is not "situational." This is classic socialist property critique. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32
Yes exactly: Anything that ISN'T producing revenue privately is costing something to someone. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #72
I'm a creative person and I am strongly supportive of intellectual property rights Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #142
This makes sense to me too limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #186
Yeah, but I mean, look at the Bieber example: joshcryer Jan 2012 #152
Geez, why did Tesha make such an effort... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #199
"Is your morality so situational?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42
Yeah, I would have been disappointed in you if you hadn't come up with that. Occurred to me, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #143
The way to see Avatar is in an IMAX 3D setting, IMHO. So the piracy issue is moot, there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #144
Speaking of those exact films, Occulus Jan 2012 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #80
No, music directors have and are known to send to the publisher for a "review copy" of the score Occulus Jan 2012 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #107
"Re-arranging, by the way, is acceptable." Occulus Jan 2012 #110
But the copyright holders CAN 'bat an eye' if they want. randome Jan 2012 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #126
Not if it's used for an educational purpose... Fearless Jan 2012 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #193
I said educational purposes. Like in a classroom teaching students. Fearless Jan 2012 #194
What about libraries? Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #147
Your library hands out every book made for free to everyone in the world? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #149
Yes, libraries hand out every book for free reorg Jan 2012 #165
Kick ass. I have about 500 books I want for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #169
Quite a civilized system they have over there. We need to adopt it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #170
Yes but theirs something more to this than just copy protection. wandy Jan 2012 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #108
Then something has changed. Back when I was a young fool, rather than old fool, I was somewhat of a wandy Jan 2012 #114
Of course SOPA would be used for illegitimate purposes. randome Jan 2012 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #127
Proof. Yes, yes, in case of dispute. wandy Jan 2012 #132
In one thread, you maintain that copyright infringement is not theft and that providing services is? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #124
Where is that stated? joshcryer Jan 2012 #153
Posts #2 and #3. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #168
Ahh, you think that in a modern world with digital distribution middlemen are necessary? joshcryer Jan 2012 #173
BTW, companies like Adobe, Microsoft, etc, *profit more* from piracy. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #8
Bad behavior! Bad, bad, badbadbadbadbad! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #46
These companies used sitewide licenses for a reason, made the software very easy to copy... joshcryer Jan 2012 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #74
I'm quite familiar with it, and it shows that the bottom line is not harmed by student discounts. joshcryer Jan 2012 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #73
This is called 'Quack'. The software you learned how to use first will likley be you're favorite. wandy Jan 2012 #93
The movie industry has done a bang up job of fighting piracy by refusing to make movies good enough Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #10
I think what's going to be amazing is when books start beind readapted into movies... joshcryer Jan 2012 #14
The thing they like to do is.. sendero Jan 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #30
Nope! Also, let's start with the name: Piracy, my ass. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #20
My view MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #28
"It's people lending books." joshcryer Jan 2012 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #39
Did you watch the video? joshcryer Jan 2012 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #61
But, how do I justify getting free shit, then? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #69
You might have a remote point if I didn't already say I would willingly give my shit away for free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #157
Ahhh. The argument of "give me yours cause I would give you mine (if I had some)" joeglow3 Jan 2012 #161
Tell ya what, I'll let you know when I do, and you can apologize profusely for making it personal... joshcryer Jan 2012 #167
You made it personal when you said what YOU would do. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #171
Post #63 is where you started making it personal. joshcryer Jan 2012 #172
You didn't watch the video. joshcryer Jan 2012 #155
Ahh but back in the day their were tape deks that used 1/2 inch tape and moved 30 ips. wandy Jan 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #109
As good as digital is. I still miss that old monster tascam. wandy Jan 2012 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #125
I er... ah..... fold? Haveing never met one of thes things up close and personal, as in wandy Jan 2012 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #130
Sure, who doesn't. MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #92
Photoshop = $699 n/t bitchkitty Jan 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #40
"Do you think that argument would fly?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #57
I use gimp. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #58
Actually, if you want to take it that far, Occulus Jan 2012 #100
I didn't say steal it, I merely told the OP bitchkitty Jan 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #70
Not with a dual monitor setup. GIMP was doing stuff that Photoshop... joshcryer Jan 2012 #159
Whatever. bitchkitty Jan 2012 #197
Good point on two scores. Their is plenty of good freeware/shareware out their. wandy Jan 2012 #98
Now, go to Top Downloads and note the most downloaded software (see: all piracy releated in top 5): joshcryer Jan 2012 #160
Hay now, I wasn't making any moral judjments here....... wandy Jan 2012 #195
FYI - musicians have always made their money through touring and merchandising. Edweird Jan 2012 #44
Except for a minority during a limited period who made it by selling recordings. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Edweird Jan 2012 #49
yeah that's true limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #180
If you are signed to a major label the odds of you ever seeing a dime from unit sales Edweird Jan 2012 #185
Acquiring "intellectual property" by copying it is almost older than dirt. baldguy Jan 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #66
But nobody argued that the original owners were being deprived of their rightful property, either. baldguy Jan 2012 #75
it's a reality. not a matter of opinion. it's a little problem if they're not stealing your stuff. spanone Jan 2012 #59
Translation: I can justify stealing so I can have free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #62
+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #85
+1000 I am amazed how many people on DU justify stealing music and videos. Logical Jan 2012 #96
That's an inaccurate translation. The post did not justify stealing. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #181
Music sharing doesn't hurt the artists. I realize that doesn't fit your 'wagging finger' narrative Edweird Jan 2012 #189
More people justify stealing so they can have free shit, than you think, though... Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #191
I think probably yes. redqueen Jan 2012 #65
Piracy? You mean like the corporations who overcharge for services and products... fascisthunter Jan 2012 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #81
no, you haven't... and until you do, this crap will continue fascisthunter Jan 2012 #83
Artists and free expressionists are being hurt. Not just mega corporations. Zax2me Jan 2012 #86
I completely agree with you frazzled Jan 2012 #97
We're in a period of glacial change. randome Jan 2012 #102
Theirs allways makeing a copy for the joy of makeing a copy. wandy Jan 2012 #121
You're only old if you think you are! randome Jan 2012 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #112
They sure picked a good label for it. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #87
One of the worst uninformed posts I have ever read. Not even worth countering. Logical Jan 2012 #95
One of the most powerful rebuttals ever made. It needs no elaboration! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #103
Bioshock. Occulus Jan 2012 #105
It's a serious problem if you are the one whose IP is being stolen. gulliver Jan 2012 #116
Only to the 1%ers. I think its a fair trade off vs. guilotines. n/t Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #117
I'm dumbfounded by the people who will actually BUY bootleg video of a movie shot with a cellphone. alphafemale Jan 2012 #119
+1 Right with you on this one. wandy Jan 2012 #122
A lot of that is people who saw the movie at the theatre TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #136
Aaaarrrgh! Swing 'em from the nearest yaaardarm! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #120
right. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #135
I'm with you Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #137
Many people don't like to think of themselves as thieves, but many of them are theives. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #138
Does downloading something make you a thief? randome Jan 2012 #139
Tell that to hundreds of my collegues laid off taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #145
what industry is that? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #146
I work in the home video department of a major studio. n/t taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #182
My dear captian limpyhobbler; thank you for opening this lovley can of worms... wandy Jan 2012 #148
RFS 9: Kill Hollywood Mosaic Jan 2012 #163
I didn't know piracy was illegal until much later. Neoma Jan 2012 #178
They used to, see Kazaa, Napster. It's just that there are free speech implications to... joshcryer Jan 2012 #183
I kind of meant the people... Neoma Jan 2012 #184
No, it isn't Aerows Jan 2012 #187
Agreed slay Jan 2012 #190
If I could make diamonds at home in my kitchen, De Beers would be shitting bricks... hunter Jan 2012 #196
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