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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts) Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:17 PM Dec 2012

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So it seems "mom" was a full out gun nut survivalist whack job. [View all]

She trained her children in the fine art of gun nuttery. She failed to keep her many guns safe and secure, despite the fact that one of her children, the shooter, is now reported to have had documented serious mental problems. She paid with her life, as did 20 children and four other adults.

Seems to me that gun nuttery has a lot to answer for here, and it is no wonder at all why our small collection of du gun enthusiasts are so busy deflecting all over this board.

Gun culture has to go. It is the problem.

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So it seems "mom" was a full out gun nut survivalist whack job. [View all] Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 OP

I can't believe she knew she had a son with mental problems and didn't LOCK Lex Dec 2012 #1

but that epitomizes the gun culture Skittles Dec 2012 #3

so true . . . Lex Dec 2012 #5

epitomizes? Those are its entire ingredients. villager Dec 2012 #40

yes...fear, ignorance BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #46

Maybe mom was not mentally all there either? Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #8

Certainly not very smart Lex Dec 2012 #13

If there were a way for Darwin to work his magic with guns, I would not want any gun laws BlueStreak Dec 2012 #65

actually, some people like to target and skeet practice and some roguevalley Dec 2012 #22

She wasn't a teacher dorkzilla Dec 2012 #33

Little did she know... kag Dec 2012 #66

Yep lyonn Dec 2012 #184

But very few people are skeet enthsiasts and truedelphi Dec 2012 #47

I agree. They are military weapons and need to be banned. I wish they would be. roguevalley Dec 2012 #50

Very expensive over-and-under shotguns are used by avid skeet shooters jpak Dec 2012 #185

Actually you are wrong there on several counts ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #200

She got $250k a yr in alimony and she couldn't afford mental health care blueamy66 Dec 2012 #54

Excellent point. FarPoint Dec 2012 #81

Indeed. Thank you. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #99

Don't you see AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #55

Assault Rifles...Enough Said louis c Dec 2012 #93

Most gun nut seem to be more affraid of the police and the government than... Walk away Dec 2012 #174

She is equally to blame for not securing her arsenal. MrsMatt Dec 2012 #117

You dont blame her? sellitman Dec 2012 #118

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No it really doesn't ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #78

Well, she wasn't scraping to get by or living in a dangerous area, by neighbor's accounts. we can do it Dec 2012 #94

So? And? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #101

What is wrong with you? I was responding to post about the $250,000 per year alimony. we can do it Dec 2012 #105

Not a damned thing is wrong with me obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #107

Whatever - if she was promoting gun worship and paranoia she is part of the problem. we can do it Dec 2012 #108

You know what is scary. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #132

Going by what's been aired so far, mom and neighbors knew Adam had a problem of some sort. we can do it Dec 2012 #149

Thank You! Sissyk Dec 2012 #148

And she had plenty of money to get medical care for her son! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #175

Getting murdered so her ex doesn't have to pay alimony is "poetic justice" obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #100

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #126

Her negligence caused the death of two dozen people jberryhill Dec 2012 #129

she also failed to get help for her son, who she had to know needed help. eom ellenfl Dec 2012 #160

Do we know this for sure? vankuria Dec 2012 #169

he was 20... which means his issues didn't spring up in the last two years SemperEadem Dec 2012 #180

Very true vankuria Dec 2012 #191

She may have bought the guns for the kid, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #179

Your defense of this woman is bizarre. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #151

Every gun owner is a "responsible", trained, gun owner, ask the NRA. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #76

sad thing is many are DBoon Dec 2012 #150

And, most illogical. Cha Dec 2012 #111

wonder if the mother could have had mental issues too SummerSnow Dec 2012 #134

At some point, the despairing strike out at the font of their despair. nt patrice Dec 2012 #2

"mom"? Union Scribe Dec 2012 #4

Mom. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #6

The gun culture in this country is absolutely the problem AndyA Dec 2012 #7

+1 you speak truth. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #73

Yes. Limbaugh and his ilk have been stoking the paranoia for well over 20 years. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #102

Time to watch "Bowling for Columbine" again. Love Bug Dec 2012 #135

So, how culpable was she? Accessory before the fact? LiberalAndProud Dec 2012 #9

IF a person with mental problems had access to or lived in her home and IF kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #16

I miss unrec. eom uppityperson Dec 2012 #10

You would. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #29

gun nut for sure, but survivalist? Nothing I've read indicates that. cali Dec 2012 #11

here riverwalker Dec 2012 #19

A survivalist relying on a quarter mil alimony? adieu Dec 2012 #71

Dispicable vs. Irrelevant. Chan790 Dec 2012 #142

Pure unsubstantiated hyperbole UndahCovah Dec 2012 #62

I place some of the blame here. Lokey Dec 2012 #12

This is NOT what her friends and neighbors are saying in their village. Coyotl Dec 2012 #14

That's a poor analogy as her son had no "right" to shoot her or anyone else. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #49

Exactly my point. Who are you to say these things about her? Coyotl Dec 2012 #84

Well I get your point, as you made it in the previous post. bluesbassman Dec 2012 #88

Why is it important for you to label the victim?? Saboburns Dec 2012 #15

Because these kinds of things do not materialize out of thin air jeff47 Dec 2012 #17

I agree with you pegasis Dec 2012 #138

It's code...just like "thug" or "goblin" means African American. pop topcan Dec 2012 #60

Except COMPLETELY NOT. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #103

No. He probably spent some time in our gungeon... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #152

I admit I've never been to the gungeon and frankly don't even know where it is tpsbmam Dec 2012 #155

I've trashed the Gungeon on the advice of a brilliant DUer (I forget whom, sorry!) But Chorophyll Dec 2012 #166

Yes, it is also like "welfare queen"...which is precisely the point I was making. Didn't you grasp pop topcan Dec 2012 #208

I was agreeing with you and expanding the point. I thought the other poster wasn't. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #210

Sorry, your lack of reading comprehension is not something I can fix. pop topcan Dec 2012 #194

That's very cute. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #196

Um.....maybe on some other boards you've been on but not on this board! tpsbmam Dec 2012 #154

There is no code involved. A gun nut is a person who needs, wants and loves their guns. Walk away Dec 2012 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #199

Victim? How about accessory? Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #183

Last night, as soon as I heard about the assault rifle I said to my wife.... Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #18

My first thoughts too. Ineeda Dec 2012 #26

I'm a vet, not a member of the NRA, don't own any guns,.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #20

Being an outsider (Canadian) looking in... OnlinePoker Dec 2012 #156

Well said. TinkerTot55 Dec 2012 #168

Meh. There will be lots of gnashing of teeth and beating of breast, nothing will change Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #21

Unfortunately, you are probably correct Bluzmann57 Dec 2012 #23

We are a nation of sheep. Willing to have Wolves" cull" the herd, so we can keep our guns Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #24

In six months? We've had two this week! Chorophyll Dec 2012 #106

So I dont have a right to post whats actually going to happen? Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #113

You have the right to post whatever you want. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #144

Why shouldn't I be? Not like the response isn't anything more than Kabuki theater Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #173

If everyone was like you, there would have been no civil rights movement Chorophyll Dec 2012 #186

Hehe, spoken with such certitude ... Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #195

Please quote Dr. Who at me some more. It's such an effective argument. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #197

I never bother to argue with someone who is so certain of their views. Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #201

You're gonna have a hell of a time talking to people here at DU if you don't like Chorophyll Dec 2012 #202

Touchy aren't we? Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #203

And what about "dad"? redqueen Dec 2012 #25

The parents were divorced as of 2009. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #48

You are right. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #153

No, every child has two parents. And dads should not get a pass on parenting. redqueen Dec 2012 #162

Dad shouldn't get a pass on coming over to her house and locking up her guns for her either. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #163

Cite the evidence that they weren't locked up. redqueen Dec 2012 #164

Um. They made it out of the house to kill 20 kids and 4 adults???? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #170

So sadly unsurprising. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #182

Derp Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #189

so you're saying that Bodhi BloodWave Dec 2012 #215

I'm not absolving him, but this kid lived with his gun nut survivalist mom. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #204

This goes to show it doesn't really matter whether the guns are "locked up"... reformist2 Dec 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #34

Think she feels safe now? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #28

Your headline is offensive and negates the rest of what you say SajayHobbs Dec 2012 #36

The problem is too many guns. If you deny that then *YOU* are part of the problem. baldguy Dec 2012 #53

Nope. I like the headline. amuse bouche Dec 2012 #56

No, his headline is NOT offensive. paparush Dec 2012 #143

Sounds like a Glenn Beckerite elfin Dec 2012 #30

This in itself makes her sound crazy from the get-go. Her ex, in an amicable divorce, agrees Nay Dec 2012 #44

^^^^^^^ blueamy66 Dec 2012 #57

Lots of conjecture there. redqueen Dec 2012 #61

Yes, there is -- that's why I said "I am just speculating." I don't want anyone to think that my Nay Dec 2012 #80

That's how I suspect this will play out as well.nt Barack_America Dec 2012 #87

YEAH! A lot of speculation. maddiemom Dec 2012 #181

And, per this morning's article in my paper.... blueamy66 Dec 2012 #207

We had guns in my house growing up NICO9000 Dec 2012 #32

Where are the links to the articles stating all this? Roland99 Dec 2012 #35

What do you know about her? Herlong Dec 2012 #41

um, what? I didn't make ANY allegations. I just asked a question! Roland99 Dec 2012 #82

I heard the information on MSNBC this morning. xmas74 Dec 2012 #67

Oh geez...sounds like a Beckian or Limbot. Roland99 Dec 2012 #83

If people like to sport shoot and do that sport shooting at special sport shooting places, valerief Dec 2012 #37

This woman knew her son had mental health issues why in the world did she teach him southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #38

Gun animals flamingdem Dec 2012 #39

She will probably be Focus on The Family mother of the year. alfredo Dec 2012 #42

Any Citations to prove this Flatpicker Dec 2012 #43

Her sister (Lanza's aunt) said this. It was broadcasted on MSNBC all day today. n/t vaberella Dec 2012 #59

here ya go xmas74 Dec 2012 #68

Thanks Flatpicker Dec 2012 #74

Not a problem. xmas74 Dec 2012 #171

Color me shocked. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #45

Anytime someone says they are 'passionate' about their guns amuse bouche Dec 2012 #51

Mother probably felt having an assault weapon somehow made her safer LynneSin Dec 2012 #52

Too bad she didn't seek amuse bouche Dec 2012 #58

Did this mother fight against her son being HockeyMom Dec 2012 #63

She sure was a gun nut but it is possible that he killed her malaise Dec 2012 #64

He killed his mother with one of her guns, so he had access. Zen Democrat Dec 2012 #70

The guns were bought for protection I just heard. Third Doctor Dec 2012 #69

He shot his mother in the face while she slept. JimDandy Dec 2012 #110

Sorry to say, albear Dec 2012 #72

The mom that people love to hate. Chemisse Dec 2012 #75

I never thought this place was like this Saboburns Dec 2012 #91

I don't knee-jerk blame mothers, kiva Dec 2012 #96

That was my first reaction when I heard about the guns Chemisse Dec 2012 #114

I agree - kiva Dec 2012 #145

Agreed -- his brother was being snarked about this mroning obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #104

Yeah. It's sure bringing out the uglier emotions in people. Chemisse Dec 2012 #115

Maybe they're just upset about children being murdered Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #159

wtf? Sissyk Dec 2012 #167

Complacent mother? Chemisse Dec 2012 #188

The guns were in her house Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #192

You know, given the context, you might want to avoid using terms like thucythucy Dec 2012 #165

True about the ammo comment; it was in bad taste. But Chemisse Dec 2012 #190

It was only meant to be mild criticism, if that. thucythucy Dec 2012 #198

some real self righteous behavior here grahampuba Dec 2012 #77

Let us not overlook the irony of a survivalist bringing about her own demise. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #79

That asserts facts not in evidence ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #85

The dead cry out for justice, not NRA talking point idiocy. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #122

The situation calls out for reasoned solutions, not irrational polemics and screeds ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #123

You have never supported any suggestion for increased regulation of firearms. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #125

Actually I have over time ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #130

Name one new regulation you would support. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #133

I will give you much more than that ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #178

The ultimate American Fetish. grantcart Dec 2012 #86

Mom also seems to have been in the upper 2 percent. I blame the media and their corporate bosses. we can do it Dec 2012 #89

BIG surprise Skittles Dec 2012 #90

What's the documentation on her being a survivalist? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #92

Another attack the victim thread. former9thward Dec 2012 #95

Start simple - whose guns were these? jberryhill Dec 2012 #131

Sp far the police have not said. former9thward Dec 2012 #147

Connecticut Shooter Adam Lanza's Guns Were Registered To Mother Nancy Lanza: Official Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #157

Sorry I don't believe anonymous sources. former9thward Dec 2012 #161

K&R. Gun culture is the problem. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #97

Plain Stupidity. Coyotl Dec 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Sadiedog Dec 2012 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #112

we do not need to demopnize her, but DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #116

Consider this hypothetical: the mom wasn't killed. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #121

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #141

You misspelled "defecating." lillypaddle Dec 2012 #119

As the googler seems broken for the gun nut apologists in this thread... Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #120

Repeal the 2nd amendment Axiomat Dec 2012 #124

If we thought the fight over the ACA was tough... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #127

Nat Geo MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #136

I'm at a loss... Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #137

Reported that she took him out of school in 10th Grade HockeyMom Dec 2012 #139

Was she another "tea bag" or (?) Amonester Dec 2012 #146

How can you people even defend her? horsedoc Dec 2012 #140

Amazing, or at least it should be amazing, sadly it isn't. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #172

Mom's guns mhilburn Dec 2012 #158

Love this quote from your OP, it is so accurate: apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #176

The mentality that it is humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #187

That's a big question- if she knew he was unhinged, and she had guns, how did he get them? nt cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #193

As a gun owner I'm all in favor of registering guns and magazines. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #205

Feel free to sacrifice your Constitutional rights as you wish, just don't expect me or 80 million pop topcan Dec 2012 #209

Absolutely serious and none of this would be unconstitutional. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #212

You really should cut down on the Ganja... pop topcan Dec 2012 #213

You really should man up and stop pretending you're going to fight a war with the government .... Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #214

She has survived in infamy nolabels Dec 2012 #206

People are in pain ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #211