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ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
49. "Gun Free" Zones
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:21 AM
Dec 2012
Are you saying that the legal conceal carry contingent are so discouraged about carrying guns in free zones that they follow the law to the T? Do you also mean that they're so scared about getting caught with their piece in these no-gun zones there that they're reluctant to save their lives and other people's lives?

You just said those zones do nothing of the sort, so I think not. You can't say both and be serious.


I can only speak for myself, but as someone with a concealed carry license I am afraid to carry a gun on school grounds because I don't want to be convicted of a felony. Because of issues such as this, I often find myself without my gun.

I imagine that if one is intent on murdering a room full of children and then taking their own life, they probably aren't as concerned with going to jail and losing their rights as I am.

In effect, the only thing that these "gun free" zones do is to make an environment that helps ensure that the only people in that area with guns are the people who have nothing to lose and are intent on doing harm. I thought that my solution to this issue was clear, but let me explain. My solution is to make it legal for school administrators, teachers, and other responsible adults to protect the children in their care. This includes allowing them to choose a firearm as part of their protection plan.
Excellent point. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #1
as a teacher I am behind the op one trillion percent. roguevalley Dec 2012 #17
As a caring person I'm with you 100% madokie Dec 2012 #26
As both, damn straight! tblue Dec 2012 #41
BRAVO ladyayache Dec 2012 #2
Have you registered your guns? Where I live there is no mechanism for doing that. pop topcan Dec 2012 #3
Tell that to their parents DainBramaged Dec 2012 #10
He was blaming them for shockingly stupid arguments . . . caseymoz Dec 2012 #13
Do you wonder why? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #20
And I wasn't even discussing solutions. caseymoz Dec 2012 #29
"Gun Free" Zones ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #49
You anticipate being stopped and arrested? caseymoz Dec 2012 #54
It's not that I anticipate being stopped and searched ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #78
About bans . . . caseymoz Dec 2012 #82
How dare you attempt to derail a perfectly good rant with rational facts? pop topcan Dec 2012 #85
So, you think the children would have been safer in a war zone lark Dec 2012 #62
I would like to propose a very simple hypothetical to you. It's not at all difficult to think about pop topcan Dec 2012 #75
Her teacher would be as likely to kill other children lark Jan 2013 #87
What war zone? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #76
There are a few on this list Gore1FL Dec 2012 #30
So, you support ownership of assault weapons? It is not working. saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #59
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #15
Ditto, freak. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #19
first rule of fight club tiny elvis Dec 2012 #16
The NRA are against any gun laws so fuck the NRA. They are the problem. roguevalley Dec 2012 #18
If it wasn't for the NRA"s hold on our legislators CitizenPatriot Dec 2012 #25
Except for a bizarre bank robbery attempt in LACA, no automatic weapons have been used in any crime pop topcan Dec 2012 #70
hahaha CitizenPatriot Dec 2012 #83
So all you have is more ad hominems? Okay... pop topcan Dec 2012 #84
So you call facts ad hominems, eh? CitizenPatriot Dec 2012 #86
FUCK the NRA we can do it Dec 2012 #77
LOVE YOU 11 BRAVO Skittles Dec 2012 #4
I also hate the NRA, especially the Ted Nugent member of their board.... Logical Dec 2012 #5
Thank-you. Today is the first time I see wise gun owners speaking up on DU. robinlynne Dec 2012 #6
Ditto! madashelltoo Dec 2012 #7
THIS. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #8
Well said, if only major media could echo it. eom. mojowork_n Dec 2012 #9
Most Excellent. cliffordu Dec 2012 #11
She was not a teacher. former9thward Dec 2012 #12
wait, what? They_Live Dec 2012 #22
yeah, ABC is reporting that NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #40
She had no guns AT SCHOOL lbrtbell Dec 2012 #14
"Can we please stop arguing over guns...?" brentspeak Dec 2012 #21
On prescription drugs? StarryNite Dec 2012 #24
Agreed. n/t Silver Gaia Dec 2012 #33
Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are behavioral lunasun Dec 2012 #37
You beat me to it. JimDandy Dec 2012 #27
Of course you don't want to talk about guns. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #51
NO, we CAN'T stop arguing over guns!! GUNS just killed a bunch of children!! Squinch Dec 2012 #55
"It's the guns, stupid" RetroLounge Dec 2012 #58
But it's impossible to commit mass murder without guns. Uh, Timothy (cough) McVeigh (cough) pop topcan Dec 2012 #73
Needless to say the teachers guns should have locked up and inaccessible. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #23
The economy is bad, the stealing is bad oldbanjo Dec 2012 #28
You are there and it is presumably under your control. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #42
I am interested to see that kind of detail too ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #48
11 BRAVO, 12 BRAVO.... BRAVO!!! AAO Dec 2012 #31
According to 20/20, the father is an attorney and being questioned by police... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #47
Yeah, i finally figured it all out. Thanks for correcting. AAO Dec 2012 #69
and maybe they should have issued tiny little guns to those poor kindergarten children. bklyncowgirl Dec 2012 #32
best post evar!! thank you!! underthematrix Dec 2012 #34
EXACTLY Taverner Dec 2012 #35
Today is the day I decided I'm just not going to listen to this crap anymore. Iris Dec 2012 #36
If only a teacher had had a gun < Had to hear that shit in business setting today lunasun Dec 2012 #38
Hear! Hear! ReRe Dec 2012 #39
Arm the kindergardeners. BainsBane Dec 2012 #43
I have John2 Dec 2012 #44
For our own safety, we DON'T keep a gun in the house. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #45
I remember a few years ago in Oregon a teacher tried to justify bring his gun to school davidpdx Dec 2012 #46
That's so stupid. In a situation like today, the teacher is the first one they would shoot n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #50
plus it could cause more deaths davidpdx Dec 2012 #63
K&R n/t lupinella Dec 2012 #52
K&R Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #53
Ban All Guns supercats Dec 2012 #56
No, that's too extreme and simple minded... NRA_SUCKS Dec 2012 #57
She was not a teacher. senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #60
This concept was void when it was posted in the Gungeon krispos42 Dec 2012 #61
You Are Missing The Point fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #68
You can't be serious. krispos42 Dec 2012 #74
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #79
Pro-gun-control people generally do not want teachers at school armed. krispos42 Dec 2012 #80
Proper Gun Handlimg fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #81
Right! GatorLarry Dec 2012 #64
She wasn't a teacher. nt ElbarDee Dec 2012 #65
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #66
Im sure her son really asked to "borrow" her guns before he killed her. Wow. xoom Dec 2012 #67
Another shooting today Bluegene Dec 2012 #71
And another one stopped yesterday Bluegene Dec 2012 #72
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