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TPaine7

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7. I would never pretend that "guns have nothing to do with gun violence."
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:56 PM
Dec 2012

But behind the guns issue is the obsession with power and its unprincipled exercise in physical violence.

I am 100% behind making mass gun murders "a lot less frequent and a lot less deadly." I have only two requests--that they be practical and that they not eviscerate the practical right to self-defense. Come up with a practical non lethal alternative self-defense device that is as portable, as practical, as effective and as inexpensive as a gun and I would seriously consider repealing or at least modifying the Second Amendment.

I think any comparison of countries should involve more than gun prevalence. There is gross inequality in wealth and opportunity in America far more than in many places. There are also cultural differences. When I was in France, I noticed that people were quite different; among other things they seemed less materialistic and status conscious. They took time to eat communal meals.

And, IIRC, England's murder rate was much lower than ours well before their ultra-strict gun laws. Apples to tangerines is always difficult.

Sometimes I get the feeling that if gun possession and gun murders went to zero but murder actually rose, some people would be delighted. (I'm being sarcastic, but I think there's a grain of truth in there.)

as I've mentioned before, fight the decay of social capital: phantom power Dec 2012 #1
+1 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #10
Perhaps if guns weren't revered/cherished in this country. . . . . . Hoyt Dec 2012 #2
Gun as objects of obsession and of unprincipled power? I absolutly agree with you. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #4
Look first at those who support more guns in more places. Hoyt Dec 2012 #5
How do gun bans work now? nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #8
There's never been a strict ban. I hope we become like Switzerland or Australia. Hoyt Dec 2012 #12
But all those shootings that have occurred...those guns WERE at home. They took them... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #13
Here's truth - we need to change perception of guns so those who love them are ashamed to be seen Hoyt Dec 2012 #15
I don't know if that'd work. PETA's been on a campaign against fur for decades. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #22
Switzerland? slutticus Dec 2012 #16
They can keep a gun locked away for national emergencies. But almost no one can carry or Hoyt Dec 2012 #21
I meant like "no guns in the school" "no guns in the theater" nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #18
We can make a laundry list shintao Dec 2012 #51
The vast majority of mass murders in the US use guns. DanTex Dec 2012 #3
Exactly. A 10% improvement is significant. Hoyt Dec 2012 #6
I would never pretend that "guns have nothing to do with gun violence." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #7
knife massacres in china -- of schoolchildren -- *do* result in fatalities and mass casualties HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11
I heard on tv that there are 350M people in the US and 280M guns. So they're out there.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #14
+1 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #9
Immediate and comprehensive Separation Dec 2012 #17
That's one of the most simplistic theories I have seen come out of the NRA in a while... madinmaryland Dec 2012 #19
Why make up lies? That didn't come from the NRA; you are not entitled to your own facts. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #20
I then apologize for assuming that you represented the NRA. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #23
Wow, apology accepted. That's classy. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #25
CT'ers... madinmaryland Dec 2012 #27
I'm not interested in that stuff, but I think lots of mass shootings are motivated, at least TPaine7 Dec 2012 #29
Neither am I. But if we don't have openess and transparency, then we will have a police state. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #35
Please see post 37. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #40
Many media sorces don't give the names of certain crime victims and society doesn't crumble. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #42
CRIME VICTIMS!! We are talking about the perpetrators of the crime. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #44
He wants everyone to know, he wants you to be saying "FUCK HIM" TPaine7 Dec 2012 #46
This could never, ever happen RZM Dec 2012 #24
Your proposal conflicts with the 1st, 5th, and 6th Amendments to the US Constitution ellisonz Dec 2012 #26
Did you miss this part of the OP? TPaine7 Dec 2012 #28
I'm tired... ellisonz Dec 2012 #30
Did you miss this part of the OP? TPaine7 Dec 2012 #32
Bah. ellisonz Dec 2012 #33
"the 'rock star' vibe" TPaine7 Dec 2012 #37
That again sounds very simplistic. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #41
It just an idea of something that could be done quickly, given public support. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #45
I will reiterate it again (sorry for the redundancy)... madinmaryland Dec 2012 #48
Hope this helps... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #50
For someone condemning "attention-seeking", this Dr. Welner seems to be seeking some very madinmaryland Dec 2012 #52
I think Mr. Welner is wrong. ellisonz Dec 2012 #43
Dr. Welner is an attention seeking whore. Kind of screws up the whole basis of this thread. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #53
That, that it does. ellisonz Dec 2012 #54
Not really. Even if he is "an attention seeking whore" that wouldn't make him wrong. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #57
You seem to think, rather simplistically, that the sole reason for a mass SHOOTING is the want for morningfog Dec 2012 #31
Sigh... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #34
I think you offered the weakest, most ridiculous change to address the issue. morningfog Dec 2012 #36
Of course you do. See the quotation in post 37. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #38
I don't think this is practical, logical, or desirable in our democracy. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #39
Here's a better idea Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #47
That is a great idea, I've support it in the past. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #49
what fuckiing garbage. cali Dec 2012 #55
So true. Dr. Pain has spent ten hours dancing around the elephant in the room. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #56
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