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Fumesucker

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71. Someone who has been trained only to say what others wish to hear is useless

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:49 PM

Dec 2012

Useless as a superior, useless as an equal and useless as a subordinate.

The Romney campaign was packed with "professionals" of that sort, how did it work out for them?

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The Silent Treatment: A Day in the Life of a Student in ‘No Excuses’ Land [View all] HiPointDem Dec 2012 OP

Edufascism. Great at producing critical thinkers. NOT.... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #1

I don't know how much good critical thinking is without... Recursion Dec 2012 #4

I agree. But silently marching in lockstep.. Not the best of ideas in education... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #7

Yeah, I think it's a sad day when teaching kids self-discipline feels "fascist" Recursion Dec 2012 #12

Enforcing silence at the bus stop is "teaching self discipline"? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #14

What part of it bothers you? Being quiet on the bus? Recursion Dec 2012 #17

It's the whole set up. Shutting up BEFORE getting on the bus. Having a predetermined greeting for Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #19

It's THE MAN, man! They're trying to keep these kids down! Make them conform, man! Recursion Dec 2012 #26

Poor dirty hippie kids! You have to pound some sense into them, or they won't march in lock step Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #29

They aren't marching, they exit the bus by row Recursion Dec 2012 #32

Personal taste. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #34

There's "Discipline" and then there's "repression" Scootaloo Dec 2012 #126

I wonder if this is what the Obama girls do at their school. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #9

Sidwell Friends is not SLANT Recursion Dec 2012 #13

"unless they have the floor". children at this school do not get to "have the floor". i doubt HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16

Well, yes they do. They are asked questions by the teacher. That gives them the floor. They can also Recursion Dec 2012 #22

Let's compare: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #28

Yes, the children of the 1% have all sorts of interesting questions... Recursion Dec 2012 #30

Irrelevant. The kids at sidwell friends aren't schooled like the students in the OP. Not at all. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36

KINDERGARTNERS should have the opportunity for free-form answers calling for independent thought pnwmom Dec 2012 #87

Programming elementary school students into being little robots would be horrifying Recursion Dec 2012 #88

That is what is happening here. The students are expected to give scripted replies pnwmom Dec 2012 #92

You're acting like that's all that happens at the school Recursion Dec 2012 #93

is this your proposal or something? how do you know about classes they haven't described? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #97

Because as I repeatedly said my sister taught at a school like this Recursion Dec 2012 #98

that school is not *this* school, & i'm quite aware of kipp, another prison school chain for black HiPointDem Dec 2012 #99

Learning to communicate WITH SPOKEN LANGUAGE is a huge part of what pnwmom Dec 2012 #86

Students respond with an enthusiastic, “Yes, I’m ready to learn today. I can’t wait to learn somethi Recursion Dec 2012 #2

"near-silence" = silence except for scripted answers to canned questions. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3

Yep! LeftofObama Dec 2012 #5

So, she will spend 6 hours every school day for the next seven years... Recursion Dec 2012 #8

Let's ask bill gates if his kids are schooled like this. or eli broad's children. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11

His kids go to an undisclosed private school, so I have no idea what their discipline system is Recursion Dec 2012 #21

How does this routine help concentration or critical thinking? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #10

How does learning to be quiet and still help concentration? You're joking, right? Recursion Dec 2012 #15

You can learn to control your physical motions and sounds without making a 24/7 routine out of it. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #18

Did you even read the article? They aren't even silent all of the school day, let alone 24/7 Recursion Dec 2012 #20

Yes I did. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #23

Then why do you keep saying "24/7" Recursion Dec 2012 #27

Not silent. Just controlled. "Inner voices" Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #31

Inside voices is for lunch. They play during recess. Recursion Dec 2012 #33

Glad to see that you would agree that extending these rules to recess would be over the top. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #35

you don't know what the hell they do at recess because the article doesn't mention recess. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #45

When did being rude, distracting and loud all of the time become AlexSatan Dec 2012 #56

read the article. if you think this school is about Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #69

And the kids are allowed to speak AlexSatan Dec 2012 #73

You must not have read the same article as me, also, it's not just about the silence, but just as Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #74

First AlexSatan Dec 2012 #77

Fine. Then DU has at least one person who'll send his kids there... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #80

You dodged the question AlexSatan Dec 2012 #81

They talk at lunch if a staff member allows them to move to 'level 2' as a reward for being HiPointDem Dec 2012 #40

It's even worse than I've first thought... unbelievable Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #42

Here's the schedule, from the original document: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46

"Enthusiastic." You honestly believe that these little robots are enthusiastic? pnwmom Dec 2012 #89

Just trying to make good little Germans, er, Merikans. unhappycamper Dec 2012 #6

Once again illustrating the advantages of being a charter school. Pholus Dec 2012 #24

How else would they learn facts??!!!! Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #25

BTW I didn't know Foxconn was starting manufacturing training in America yet. nt Pholus Dec 2012 #37

Whew, this is just weird. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #38

It's fairly common for charters. Especially charters for the poor and black. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #41

Did you get that from the picture or her genuinely smiling AlexSatan Dec 2012 #57

lol. that's a model. it's a hypothetical kid in a school that is in the proposal stage. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #76

Prove this claim AlexSatan Dec 2012 #79

When you were a kid, didn't you learn to smile for the camera? pnwmom Dec 2012 #90

read the text. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #94

This text? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #95

read a little further... HiPointDem Dec 2012 #96

Are you positive she doesn't exist? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #101

that girl exists, but she's not a student at this school. because this is a proposal for a charter HiPointDem Dec 2012 #102

Fair enough AlexSatan Dec 2012 #105

Give me a break, okay? a la izquierda Dec 2012 #84

Great AlexSatan Dec 2012 #100

du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #39

I don't know what to think about this. It goes too far. I wouldn't want a child of mind in that Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43

Perhaps your perceptions have changed since you were a child? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #47

Not at all. School wasn't quiet when I was a child. But we were required NOT to speak during class.. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #49

I have three grandkids and I'm in their schools fairly regularly Fumesucker Dec 2012 #53

Maybe it was just the school where I went. It's disadvantaged, which was why there were Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #109

My kids would have loved it AlexSatan Dec 2012 #59

I went to a school similar to Radner's. And it was nothing like this school. pnwmom Dec 2012 #91

Well, it was a girl's school. So there's one noise factor not present. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #112

And it wasn't overcrowded. Overcrowded classes are too noisy pnwmom Dec 2012 #115

I was allowed more freedom in basic training than this. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #44

Sir, yes sir! n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #48

Coast Guard or merchant marines? NT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #58

Air Farce 70-73 hobbit709 Dec 2012 #62

Things must have gotten a lot tougher in the 80's then AlexSatan Dec 2012 #63

At least we were allowed to have conversations in the mess hall. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #65

We weren't AlexSatan Dec 2012 #67

I can finally articulate why this is a pathetically stupid idea. It's not the silence... Pholus Dec 2012 #50

That also bothers me more than the silence. gkhouston Dec 2012 #51

I agree with you completely. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #52

+1. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55

Did you ever consider that coercion isn't necessary AlexSatan Dec 2012 #60

Yeah, the ones who would make horrendous bosses, execrable co-workers and lying subordinates Fumesucker Dec 2012 #64

wow. Safe to say you have never worked with professionals AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66

Someone who has been trained only to say what others wish to hear is useless Fumesucker Dec 2012 #71

Wrong AlexSatan Dec 2012 #72

Primary school is not and should not be boot camp and children are not slaves Fumesucker Dec 2012 #75

Learning methods are learning methods AlexSatan Dec 2012 #78

You have your kids in a school like this? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #82

Nope, but I would for two of them AlexSatan Dec 2012 #83

The amount of degrees between the Socratic Method to a mere Pavlovian response LanternWaste Dec 2012 #106

Sigh AlexSatan Dec 2012 #108

If you'd read the article you'd know these are "would-be" children in a "proposed" new school. Pholus Dec 2012 #111

So then how do they seem like "robots"? NT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #113

The arrogance of filling in the child's responses that way is either Pholus Dec 2012 #117

It is a greeting AlexSatan Dec 2012 #118

So what do YOU think should be done if the kid doesn't respond appropriately? Pholus Dec 2012 #119

Sure there should be a consequence AlexSatan Dec 2012 #120

As you just demonstrated, substandard education has consequences. Pholus Dec 2012 #122

If you had bothered reading the article AlexSatan Dec 2012 #123

Wow, I can feel those hot tears of shame hitting your screen from over here! Pholus Dec 2012 #124

Talk about a lack of education. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #125

Oh, so I said it because I didn't say it explicitly. Gotcha.... Pholus Dec 2012 #127

Oh, now I did explicitly state this once but apparently you only hear things I didn't say. Pholus Dec 2012 #128

Then you not only AlexSatan Dec 2012 #129

Ahhhh, yes I guess I didn't explicitly say what my reviews actually say. Pholus Dec 2012 #131

And now you got me reinterpreting Richilieu Pholus Dec 2012 #132

Twist and spin all you want AlexSatan Dec 2012 #134

Dude, this thing was over LONG ago and you lost. Pholus Dec 2012 #135

This is so sad. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #136

No, I KNOW it isn't necessary. But your educorp doesn't get that it's better if it is spontaneous. Pholus Dec 2012 #110

The forced "pep rallies" that Walmart workers attend come to mind. Lars39 Dec 2012 #61

+100000 The creepy chanting is what got to me when I read the OP riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #68

*Sigh* Music Man Dec 2012 #54

Hey, if it's good enough for Paris Island... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #70

And most of the attendees there couldn't wait to escape it. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #85

That's *Parris* Island. Brigid Dec 2012 #121

It shows that I never read, but only heard the name in movies, doesn't it? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #133

Mass-brainwashing. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #103

A disciplined classroom is one thing. hifiguy Dec 2012 #104

The canned responses and greetings are what creep me out Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #107

But what about socialization? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #114

Creepy and extremely disturbing. woo me with science Dec 2012 #116

Sounds like they're a lot less interested in learning... regnaD kciN Dec 2012 #130