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HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
28. Let's compare:
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:29 AM
Dec 2012

Just to be clear, let's compare what students in the primary grades at sidwell do to what these kids do:

Here's a class at this school:

7:45 am Mr. Amaral escorts Carolina along with the rest of BU 5 silently to their homeroom/advisory. Carolina proceeds to her pre-assigned desk. Mr. Amaral gives a non-verbal cue for Carolina’s group to move to the back cubbies to get organized, and signals with his other hand that they have one minute to complete their cubby tasks. Carolina silently stands up and brings her backpack to her cubby, unzips it, and removes all of her binders.... and Carolina finished her cubby tasks in less than 60 seconds....

She begins reading her DEAR book, as the other students work for their minute time blocks to get their cubby work done. Mr. Amaral calls, “1-2-3 Eyes on me!” The class responds in unison, “1-2-3 Eyes on you!” and then proceeds to close their DEAR books and place them on the left corner of their desks.

Mr. Amaral uses the last few minutes of class to review the main objective for the lesson, give feedback to the class using DREAM Points, remind scholars to copy HW, and provide direction for transition. Mr. Amaral says, “Scholars, yesterday you transitioned to Reading in 38 seconds. Your challenge now is to transition in 35 seconds. I am waiting for 100% eye contact.Good. Go.” Scholars quickly and silently switch out binders from their rubber bands around their desk legs. Carolina and her peers absolutely enjoy being timed for tasks and being challenged to beat their best times.

Now sidwell:



Hey, the kids are standing around talking to each other...without a teacher directing them, not in line...

For more than 25 years, Lower School students have developed and written their own monthly Queries for consideration of the community. These questions reflect issues and concerns relevant to their own lives: friendship, fairness, peace, understanding, nature and environmental issues, celebrations, differences, conflict resolution, service, and the world around them. The following are examples for community consideration:

“How do we keep greed from growing in an ‘I want everything’ world?”
First Grade

“Do you have the courage to stand up to your friends when they are not being fair and just to others?”
Second Grade

“How can we learn to see and appreciate the beauty of everyday things around us?”
Third Grade

“In this new year, how can we make peace in our world, resist peer pressure, and not hurt others?”
Fourth Grade

Community service plays an important role in the Lower School experience...For several decades students have brought a vegetable to school on Wednesdays to help create soup for Martha’s Table, a Washington, D.C., soup kitchen. For this project two classes work side by side, often younger children paired with older children, and chop the donated vegetables...

Many other service activities are woven into the fabric of children’s lives at Lower School such as fourth graders sharing their love of books by becoming reading buddies with younger students at a D.C. public school, collecting nuts and seeds for reforestation of native trees, and working on environmental clean-ups of the Anacostia River. Opportunities for service within our own school community often include a day of planting bulbs and flowers, learning to compost soup vegetable cuttings, and helping sort campus recycling materials. Nurturing a sense of responsibility and care, as well as developing the habit of helping, grows from these acts of service.


Sounds to me like Obama's girls have class discussions and writing activities about issues, get to do meaningful activities, don't have to be silent unless mouthing a script, and don't spend their entire school day doing rote timed activities.

http://www.sidwell.edu/lower_school/academics/index.aspx

Edufascism. Great at producing critical thinkers. NOT.... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #1
I don't know how much good critical thinking is without... Recursion Dec 2012 #4
I agree. But silently marching in lockstep.. Not the best of ideas in education... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #7
Yeah, I think it's a sad day when teaching kids self-discipline feels "fascist" Recursion Dec 2012 #12
Enforcing silence at the bus stop is "teaching self discipline"? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #14
What part of it bothers you? Being quiet on the bus? Recursion Dec 2012 #17
It's the whole set up. Shutting up BEFORE getting on the bus. Having a predetermined greeting for Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #19
It's THE MAN, man! They're trying to keep these kids down! Make them conform, man! Recursion Dec 2012 #26
Poor dirty hippie kids! You have to pound some sense into them, or they won't march in lock step Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #29
They aren't marching, they exit the bus by row Recursion Dec 2012 #32
Personal taste. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #34
There's "Discipline" and then there's "repression" Scootaloo Dec 2012 #126
I wonder if this is what the Obama girls do at their school. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #9
Sidwell Friends is not SLANT Recursion Dec 2012 #13
"unless they have the floor". children at this school do not get to "have the floor". i doubt HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Well, yes they do. They are asked questions by the teacher. That gives them the floor. They can also Recursion Dec 2012 #22
Let's compare: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #28
Yes, the children of the 1% have all sorts of interesting questions... Recursion Dec 2012 #30
Irrelevant. The kids at sidwell friends aren't schooled like the students in the OP. Not at all. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36
KINDERGARTNERS should have the opportunity for free-form answers calling for independent thought pnwmom Dec 2012 #87
Programming elementary school students into being little robots would be horrifying Recursion Dec 2012 #88
That is what is happening here. The students are expected to give scripted replies pnwmom Dec 2012 #92
You're acting like that's all that happens at the school Recursion Dec 2012 #93
is this your proposal or something? how do you know about classes they haven't described? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #97
Because as I repeatedly said my sister taught at a school like this Recursion Dec 2012 #98
that school is not *this* school, & i'm quite aware of kipp, another prison school chain for black HiPointDem Dec 2012 #99
Learning to communicate WITH SPOKEN LANGUAGE is a huge part of what pnwmom Dec 2012 #86
Students respond with an enthusiastic, “Yes, I’m ready to learn today. I can’t wait to learn somethi Recursion Dec 2012 #2
"near-silence" = silence except for scripted answers to canned questions. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3
Yep! LeftofObama Dec 2012 #5
So, she will spend 6 hours every school day for the next seven years... Recursion Dec 2012 #8
Let's ask bill gates if his kids are schooled like this. or eli broad's children. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11
His kids go to an undisclosed private school, so I have no idea what their discipline system is Recursion Dec 2012 #21
How does this routine help concentration or critical thinking? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #10
How does learning to be quiet and still help concentration? You're joking, right? Recursion Dec 2012 #15
You can learn to control your physical motions and sounds without making a 24/7 routine out of it. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #18
Did you even read the article? They aren't even silent all of the school day, let alone 24/7 Recursion Dec 2012 #20
Yes I did. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #23
Then why do you keep saying "24/7" Recursion Dec 2012 #27
Not silent. Just controlled. "Inner voices" Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #31
Inside voices is for lunch. They play during recess. Recursion Dec 2012 #33
Glad to see that you would agree that extending these rules to recess would be over the top. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #35
you don't know what the hell they do at recess because the article doesn't mention recess. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #45
When did being rude, distracting and loud all of the time become AlexSatan Dec 2012 #56
read the article. if you think this school is about Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #69
And the kids are allowed to speak AlexSatan Dec 2012 #73
You must not have read the same article as me, also, it's not just about the silence, but just as Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #74
First AlexSatan Dec 2012 #77
Fine. Then DU has at least one person who'll send his kids there... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #80
You dodged the question AlexSatan Dec 2012 #81
They talk at lunch if a staff member allows them to move to 'level 2' as a reward for being HiPointDem Dec 2012 #40
It's even worse than I've first thought... unbelievable Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #42
Here's the schedule, from the original document: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46
"Enthusiastic." You honestly believe that these little robots are enthusiastic? pnwmom Dec 2012 #89
Just trying to make good little Germans, er, Merikans. unhappycamper Dec 2012 #6
Once again illustrating the advantages of being a charter school. Pholus Dec 2012 #24
How else would they learn facts??!!!! Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #25
BTW I didn't know Foxconn was starting manufacturing training in America yet. nt Pholus Dec 2012 #37
Whew, this is just weird. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #38
It's fairly common for charters. Especially charters for the poor and black. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #41
Did you get that from the picture or her genuinely smiling AlexSatan Dec 2012 #57
lol. that's a model. it's a hypothetical kid in a school that is in the proposal stage. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #76
Prove this claim AlexSatan Dec 2012 #79
When you were a kid, didn't you learn to smile for the camera? pnwmom Dec 2012 #90
read the text. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #94
This text? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #95
read a little further... HiPointDem Dec 2012 #96
Are you positive she doesn't exist? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #101
that girl exists, but she's not a student at this school. because this is a proposal for a charter HiPointDem Dec 2012 #102
Fair enough AlexSatan Dec 2012 #105
Give me a break, okay? a la izquierda Dec 2012 #84
Great AlexSatan Dec 2012 #100
du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #39
I don't know what to think about this. It goes too far. I wouldn't want a child of mind in that Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43
Perhaps your perceptions have changed since you were a child? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #47
Not at all. School wasn't quiet when I was a child. But we were required NOT to speak during class.. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #49
I have three grandkids and I'm in their schools fairly regularly Fumesucker Dec 2012 #53
Maybe it was just the school where I went. It's disadvantaged, which was why there were Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #109
My kids would have loved it AlexSatan Dec 2012 #59
I went to a school similar to Radner's. And it was nothing like this school. pnwmom Dec 2012 #91
Well, it was a girl's school. So there's one noise factor not present. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #112
And it wasn't overcrowded. Overcrowded classes are too noisy pnwmom Dec 2012 #115
I was allowed more freedom in basic training than this. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #44
Sir, yes sir! n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #48
Coast Guard or merchant marines? NT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #58
Air Farce 70-73 hobbit709 Dec 2012 #62
Things must have gotten a lot tougher in the 80's then AlexSatan Dec 2012 #63
At least we were allowed to have conversations in the mess hall. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #65
We weren't AlexSatan Dec 2012 #67
I can finally articulate why this is a pathetically stupid idea. It's not the silence... Pholus Dec 2012 #50
That also bothers me more than the silence. gkhouston Dec 2012 #51
I agree with you completely. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #52
+1. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #55
Did you ever consider that coercion isn't necessary AlexSatan Dec 2012 #60
Yeah, the ones who would make horrendous bosses, execrable co-workers and lying subordinates Fumesucker Dec 2012 #64
wow. Safe to say you have never worked with professionals AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66
Someone who has been trained only to say what others wish to hear is useless Fumesucker Dec 2012 #71
Wrong AlexSatan Dec 2012 #72
Primary school is not and should not be boot camp and children are not slaves Fumesucker Dec 2012 #75
Learning methods are learning methods AlexSatan Dec 2012 #78
You have your kids in a school like this? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #82
Nope, but I would for two of them AlexSatan Dec 2012 #83
The amount of degrees between the Socratic Method to a mere Pavlovian response LanternWaste Dec 2012 #106
Sigh AlexSatan Dec 2012 #108
If you'd read the article you'd know these are "would-be" children in a "proposed" new school. Pholus Dec 2012 #111
So then how do they seem like "robots"? NT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #113
The arrogance of filling in the child's responses that way is either Pholus Dec 2012 #117
It is a greeting AlexSatan Dec 2012 #118
So what do YOU think should be done if the kid doesn't respond appropriately? Pholus Dec 2012 #119
Sure there should be a consequence AlexSatan Dec 2012 #120
As you just demonstrated, substandard education has consequences. Pholus Dec 2012 #122
If you had bothered reading the article AlexSatan Dec 2012 #123
Wow, I can feel those hot tears of shame hitting your screen from over here! Pholus Dec 2012 #124
Talk about a lack of education. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #125
Oh, so I said it because I didn't say it explicitly. Gotcha.... Pholus Dec 2012 #127
Oh, now I did explicitly state this once but apparently you only hear things I didn't say. Pholus Dec 2012 #128
Then you not only AlexSatan Dec 2012 #129
Ahhhh, yes I guess I didn't explicitly say what my reviews actually say. Pholus Dec 2012 #131
And now you got me reinterpreting Richilieu Pholus Dec 2012 #132
Twist and spin all you want AlexSatan Dec 2012 #134
Dude, this thing was over LONG ago and you lost. Pholus Dec 2012 #135
This is so sad. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #136
No, I KNOW it isn't necessary. But your educorp doesn't get that it's better if it is spontaneous. Pholus Dec 2012 #110
The forced "pep rallies" that Walmart workers attend come to mind. Lars39 Dec 2012 #61
+100000 The creepy chanting is what got to me when I read the OP riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #68
*Sigh* Music Man Dec 2012 #54
Hey, if it's good enough for Paris Island... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #70
And most of the attendees there couldn't wait to escape it. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #85
That's *Parris* Island. Brigid Dec 2012 #121
It shows that I never read, but only heard the name in movies, doesn't it? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #133
Mass-brainwashing. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #103
A disciplined classroom is one thing. hifiguy Dec 2012 #104
The canned responses and greetings are what creep me out Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #107
But what about socialization? Tsiyu Dec 2012 #114
Creepy and extremely disturbing. woo me with science Dec 2012 #116
Sounds like they're a lot less interested in learning... regnaD kciN Dec 2012 #130
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